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Old 06-04-2017, 03:55 PM
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Cool Removed my QuadraTrac and fuel tank

I removed my QuadraTrac BW1339 from my 79 today.

The QuadraTrac pictures are here.

Much fun.



I also removed the fuel tank.

The fuel tank pictures are here.

Equally as much fun.

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Old 06-04-2017, 04:11 PM
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Look closely at the fuel tank. There is a black crusty blob. Why yes, that is a patch job performed on the tank by a previous owner. It appears to have been done with a type of epoxy. Apparently a PO had drilled through the floor and accidentally penetrated the fuel tank. The repair to the fuel tank was made by "ripping" a hole in the floor, inserting a dry wall stud anchor into the tank and covering it with epoxy.



Here's a pic of the type of drywall stud anchor that was used.
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Old 06-04-2017, 04:18 PM
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The reason I removed the transfer case was to replace the diaphragm control and the Emergency Drive indicator switch.

I may have to replace the chain as well. Initial measurement indicated its stretched beyond limit.
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Old 06-04-2017, 04:49 PM
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For the unbeliever's, here's the Drywall stud anchor fuel tank repair job.

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Here's the location and the subsequent damage made by the PO. He drilled through the floor and into the fuel tank, realized his mistake, Ripped open the floor board to hastily and lazily seal it with a anchor and epoxy.

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Old 06-04-2017, 05:08 PM
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Words of wisdom.....
When separating the transfer case from the transmission, prepare your eyeballs for the ensuing torrent of transmission fluid.
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Old 06-04-2017, 07:13 PM
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lol, I try really hard to always wear eye pro any time I'm under a vehicle. Too many years of dirt, grime, rust, fluids and who knows what else falling in my eyes, 90% of the time you can blink a few times and move on but sometimes that will ruin your day.

My 1339 likes to self lubricate it's exterior about as much as yours, I'm not looking forward to one day digging through all the grime to see what's underneath.. how did you go about it?
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:02 PM
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I removed the tank first. The inboard bolt for the restraining strap and its retaining nut was difficult to remove. Smashed thumbnail.
I removed all fuel lines.... with pruning shears. Removed a random glass shard from my knee.
For the QT, I removed the seats, carpet, door sills, and tunnel cover. I spent hours admiring the scale rust and holes in the floors. A beautiful sight. In frustration, pushed over full trash can. Realized it was the neighbors.
Disconnected rear drive line at the QT. Got sand and grime in eyes. Driveline dropped on my knee.
Attempted to disconnect front drive line at the QT. Rolled over a finger with the creeper.
No Joy. Removed retaining hardware at the front. Cussed.
Removed four bolts and tried to remove QT. Too heavy. Kicked the dog.
Removed Lo range unit by removing 5 retaining bolts around its perimeter. Lost two bolts in the grass.
Pulled QT off 6 inch drive spline, acquired hernia, broke pinky.
Flushed eyes of tranny fluid. You know why.
I’m a procrastinator, good odds it’ll be finished by November…….2019.
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:28 PM
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Old 06-06-2017, 07:06 AM
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Does anyone have any tips or experiences to share with me? I need to create a jig to properly level the transfer case and jack it back up into position and reattach it to the transmission. I'm a one person show and there are no extra hands to assist.
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This was the best thing I've read all year!

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I removed the tank first. The inboard bolt for the restraining strap and its retaining nut was difficult to remove. Smashed thumbnail.
I removed all fuel lines.... with pruning shears. Removed a random glass shard from my knee.
For the QT, I removed the seats, carpet, door sills, and tunnel cover. I spent hours admiring the scale rust and holes in the floors. A beautiful sight. In frustration, pushed over full trash can. Realized it was the neighbors.
Disconnected rear drive line at the QT. Got sand and grime in eyes. Driveline dropped on my knee.
Attempted to disconnect front drive line at the QT. Rolled over a finger with the creeper.
No Joy. Removed retaining hardware at the front. Cussed.
Removed four bolts and tried to remove QT. Too heavy. Kicked the dog.
Removed Lo range unit by removing 5 retaining bolts around its perimeter. Lost two bolts in the grass.
Pulled QT off 6 inch drive spline, acquired hernia, broke pinky.
Flushed eyes of tranny fluid. You know why.
I’m a procrastinator, good odds it’ll be finished by November…….2019.
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Old 06-06-2017, 08:58 AM
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Piggybacking on this thread, does anyone know if it is alright to put two gaskets between the t-case and the transmission? I have had this thing off and on three times and can never seem to get rid of a little leak right there. I think the mating surfaces aren't entirely true. Will putting two gaskets in throw off anything critical?
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Old 06-07-2017, 04:21 AM
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your leak is probably from the 2 seals for the input shaft? did you replace them? If you did , did you put them in the right way and not backwards? more than likely you nicked or pushed the seals out while installing.
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:12 AM
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your leak is probably from the 2 seals for the input shaft? did you replace them? If you did , did you put them in the right way and not backwards? more than likely you nicked or pushed the seals out while installing.

Yes, I replaced them, the correct way. Done this a few times and don't believe I nicked or pushed the seals out. Whenever I've pulled it off, the seals were in place.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:33 PM
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Its real easy to damage the seals or knock them out of square when pulling or installing the transfer case, is the output shaft grooved where the seal rides? did you replace the bearings in the case?, is the output shaft bent slightly? I "bench press" the transfer case in and out as I have better control as it goes in. and can keep it square. just some things to think about...
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:01 PM
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Its real easy to damage the seals or knock them out of square when pulling or installing the transfer case, is the output shaft grooved where the seal rides? did you replace the bearings in the case?, is the output shaft bent slightly? I "bench press" the transfer case in and out as I have better control as it goes in. and can keep it square. just some things to think about...

Yep, I "bench press" it too. Usually takes a few seconds to find the hole. But in the few times I've had it out, the seals were always in place and looked good. Did not check whether output shaft was grooved. I also don't recall replacing bearings, or where those bearings are located in the case.

If all fluid is kept in by the seals, what is the function of the gasket between transmission and t-case? Does any fluid come out of the transmission?

Anyone have thoughts on whether putting two gaskets there would be ok?
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Old 06-10-2017, 08:33 AM
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Get some long bolts and cut the heads off to use as guide pins. I believe you want 7/16-14 by 4" long. The FSM will confirm.



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Does anyone have any tips or experiences to share with me? I need to create a jig to properly level the transfer case and jack it back up into position and reattach it to the transmission. I'm a one person show and there are no extra hands to assist.
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Old 08-17-2017, 11:45 AM
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After installing the fuel tank, I noticed I may need to remove it to allow for the installation of the Borg Warner transfer case. The front end of the tank doesn't seem to allow much clearance for installation of the BW.

Can anyone with transfer case installation experience share their advice?

It wont be to terribly difficult to drop the tank. None of the fuel lines are connected and the tank is only loosely installed with 3 bolts.


Here some ramblings below.

Sealed the fuel tank with J-B Weld SteelStik. New Sending unit, new pick up tube, all new fuel lines. There were many.

1"
3/4"
5/16"
1/4"
3/16"

Installed the tank this morning with the three bolts, 2 on the front, 1 on the rear.

Haven't installed the crossover strap yet. It is secured in place with 5/16 bolts and 11/16 nuts.

The J-B weld patch can be seen in the below pic near the RH end of the tank.

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Old 08-17-2017, 11:47 AM
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I also did some patch work on the Heater core box. A couple holes needed attention. Also removed about 2 lbs of leaves.



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It can be very tight, if tank is easy to remove go ahead and do it. It'll make job easier vs. fighting around it/lack of space.

I've done it all too many times w/ tank still in, sucky job.

Be sure to use guide bolts/threaded rod cut length etc. to reinstall case.
Don't nick/scratch/look @ those QT seals wrong, or very high probability it'll leak.
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