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Old 01-30-2010, 10:52 PM
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edited: tranny question - transfer case difference NP 228 or NP 229?

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I parted out a 88 Grand today - I have a 86 as my daily driver. ( both 360, automatic)

can I use the VIN decoder to tell what I have in both rigs?

I plan on keeping the entire drivetrain as "spares" are the transmissions and transfer case the same?

I can take pics to help ID them ....i dont want to keep them if they are not the same


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The 86 and the 88 should have TorqueFlite 727's

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Both transmissions will be the TF727. The transfer case from the '86 will be an NP228 and the '88 will have a NP229. The only differences being the 228 has an open differential instead of a viscous coupling in the 229.
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Wow...are the transfer cases interchanageable? ( without mods) id like to have a spare...


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NP229(2wd-4wd with VC) the NP228(2wd-4wd) and the NP219(AWD) should all match up

208 is smaller and has a different shifter
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Wow...are the transfer cases interchanageable? ( without mods) id like to have a spare...


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Yelp, should be a direct swap. They use the same case, just slightly different inners...
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well,it's a TC727 if you wanna be precise.
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Cool a direct swap in?

No mods whatsoever ? what about the shifter as mattmopar indicated?

would i need different fluid or something for the viscous coupling in the 229?

which one is the best/most reliable and cheapest to overhaul?

sorry for all the questions

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direct swap. if one came from a factory tow package truck that's the one to use. will have the 4 clutch front retainer,and 4 pinion front planetary.

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One of the things I like about FSJ's, and will never cease to amaze me being a Ford guy, is the interchangability and sameness throughout the years. I love this about them.
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So what is the difference between the two transfer cases?

you mentioned a coupler - does this turn my rig into full time for wheel drive? I dont think i want that. what about the compatibility with the front auto hubs....

which one is the more reliable and cheapest to rebuild?

sorry for all the dumb questions - and thanks for all the advise
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The 219 is a full-time case and the 228/229 are part-time cases. They are practically equal in strength tho I think the 219 is not as prone to breakage.
The hubs are not automatic. They are flanges in place of locking hubs. The 229 is a fine case if you keep it well maintained. Make sure the vacuum lines are in good working order.
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I noticed on the donor rig ( NP229)there is a vachum actuator on the transfer case, I looked under my daily driver ( NP 228) and did not see one

I guess I am just being stupid .... ....but What is the difference between the two? does either one have an advantage?

Help me Obi Wan.......
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The np228 and the Np229 have Vacuum actuators only the NP219 has none
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http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/np2xx_early.htm

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NP229(2wd-4wd with VC) the NP228(2wd-4wd) and the NP219(AWD) should all match up

208 is smaller and has a different shifter

Well, the 208, FWIW, will actually hook right up to the NP228/229 linkage. I should know, since I swapped in a 208 in place of the 228 in my 86

EDIT: To clarify, the shifter 'flag' lever on the 228/229 controls hi/lo range, but on the 208 controls mode (2 or 4). There's no vac on the 208. The 228/229 are effectively identical and 100% bolt in, drop in, no hassle replacement for each other. The 208 only needs a longer driveshaft but otherwise is also a bolt-in hassle free swap. As far as I am aware the 219 is identical in size/dimension and drop in replacement for 228/229 but is full time, and uses the same flag shifter and linkage to select 4hi open, 4hi lock, and 4lo lock.

The 208 looks the same except it is 6" shorter in length. The section between the chain and the output is where it is shorter. Otherwise the cases all look the same if that makes sense.

The nice thing about the 228 is you don't have to worry about burning up the v.c. or having it go bad... cuz there isn't one. If you run it in 4hi with locking hubs, it just sits there, no damage done. EDIT: The bad thing is that you don't get the limited slip in the 228 so if you lose significant traction at one wheel, you're stuck, unless you shift into 4hi. The 229 is less prone to being stuck, slightly. The 208 is locked in hi so you'd have to lose traction on one tire each axle.
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Ahah

so the 229 is a full time 4WD transfercase? thats why the coupler is there?

I think I should stick to the 228....but Great Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley Moogley do I know

Heres the dilemma guys/gals I have a chance to keep the doner 229 or trade it for a 228 ( which is on my daily driver) and i plan on keeping it as a spare

dont make me post a poll

I just want the best/most reliable/and cheapest to overhaul transfer case between my two choices - 208 and 209 need not apply
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Viscous coupler is there to divert torque from the wheels that slip to the wheels that grip. 228, all else being equal (which it rarely is), is going to be more reliable in that there's no v.c. to fail (and v.c.'s are unobtanium). But a bad 228 isn't better than a good 229 of course. And vice versa. I'd lean towards the 228 but more heavily lean towards the case in better condition if it were me.

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so the 229 is a full time 4WD transfercase? thats why the coupler is there?

I think I should stick to the 228....but Great Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley Moogley do I know

Heres the dilemma guys/gals I have a chance to keep the doner 229 or trade it for a 228 ( which is on my daily driver) and i plan on keeping it as a spare

dont make me post a poll

I just want the best/most reliable/and cheapest to overhaul transfer case between my two choices - 208 and 209 need not apply
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Kinda thought so.

The extra coupler - which i imagine would add significantly to a rebuild costs
i appreciate the extra traction( possibly) - but i could also put in a EZ locker in the rear correct?

I am a cheap Bostard and want to also keep things simple

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I never had any trouble with the 228 in the snow... including blizzard here. Off road just put in 4lo and it won't matter which you run. But, a locker could add (a lot of) traction for 4hi if you need it... with some possible downsides in the snow/ice of being more easy to break loose.
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