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Old 08-31-2016, 11:04 AM
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Ok, I've read alot on these things so.. before I took it apart, there was actually very little play in the pump shaft (up and down). Once apart I noticed none of the pump blades are past the end of the housing.. I think there is supposed to be @ .002 or so sticking out past the housing, right?
What gasket should I put back on it?
Finally, Bulltear wont answer my phone calls, I had ordered a midplate and by-pass plug, both lost in space ,I guess.. so, Im thinking about just using a new gasket and the yellow #321-1034 heavy duty spring for the by-pass. Any thoughts.. comments?

Oh, my timing cover is worn in a bit, hope you guys tell me it'll be just fine..
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Yes, the gears are supposed to be proud of the housing.

Gasket thickness - gear stickout = gear end clearance.
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You don't really need the midplate, plenty of engines go 100k+ w/o any issues not using one.

Just resurface the cover & adapter properly, and install new gears. It'll be better than new when done.

My '88 w/ ~130k on it needed a bunch of work on the cover to be correct clearance.
Tedious to resurface it @ home, but worth it.
It got a nice boost in hot oil pressure @ idle.
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You don't really need the midplate, plenty of engines go 100k+ w/o any issues not using one.

Just resurface the cover & adapter properly, and install new gears. It'll be better than new when done.

My '88 w/ ~130k on it needed a bunch of work on the cover to be correct clearance.
Tedious to resurface it @ home, but worth it.
It got a nice boost in hot oil pressure @ idle.
Ok, so what should I shoot for after I resurface the cover.. clearance-wise
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ok, grinding cover down to smooth it out, do I need new gears (oil pump)?
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I'd put a kit in yeah. Get a Melling kit. And valve grind paste and set it up with the new gears and gasket.
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I'd put a kit in yeah. Get a Melling kit. And valve grind paste and set it up with the new gears and gasket.
Got the kit ordered, where do I get the heavy-duty bypass spring? Napa found nothing..
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My original cover actually had very little wear, I'm going to compound this down. Question is; do I shave more material from this cover to get my .002 or from the housing side..or doesn't matter?
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My original cover actually had very little wear, I'm going to compound this down. Question is; do I shave more material from this cover to get my .002 or from the housing side..or doesn't matter?

The clearance is obtained with the timing cover if needed. You want the oil filter adapter smooth, no grooves/lines/circles.

IIRC I did .006 on the cover, and with gasket/oil filter adapter installed it was good.
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Muddeling along..

Some new timing parts on the front, working on the whole dizzy thing now. (Amazing how tight this chain is compared to my old one lol)
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Did you soak the new chain in oil?
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Probably beating a dead horse, but be sure to check that timing cam gear for proper oil passage. Must be clear, cannot be blocked with casting flash.
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Did you soak the new chain in oil?
Since all that stuff is brand new, I thought I would give it a good wet-down with engine build lube.
Yes, the oil passage was cleaned out with my little dremel and lines up nice. Installing the oil pan and timing cover tomorrow. I purchased a crank sleeve from NAPA because there is a noticeable groove on the crank from the oil seal..anything special to watch for when putting that on?
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Ok, i spent almost the entire day yesterday hand grinding this darn cover. Even missed half of the Alabama game! Sacrilege!
Anyway, now that crap is over the question is; Do I fill cavity of pump with Vaseline or not?! I have heard/seen both.
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I wouldn't use vaseline. I did and had to take the pump off shortly after running it and my oil filter had no chance of getting oil through it and the vaseline was still in crevices in the pump cavity. This was with about 30 minutes running the motor. I would use a little assy lube in the pump gears. I am by no means a professional mechanic, but I didn't like what I saw with the vaseline. On a side note after a new cam and lifters and chain in my motor along with all the sludge I tried to clean out, it is now at an engine builders.
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no. some assembly lube. even oil works fine. vaseline is not engine lube.
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I wouldn't use vaseline. I did and had to take the pump off shortly after running it and my oil filter had no chance of getting oil through it and the vaseline was still in crevices in the pump cavity. This was with about 30 minutes running the motor. I would use a little assy lube in the pump gears. I am by no means a professional mechanic, but I didn't like what I saw with the vaseline. On a side note after a new cam and lifters and chain in my motor along with all the sludge I tried to clean out, it is now at an engine builders.
Yikes! OK
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no. some assembly lube. even oil works fine. vaseline is not engine lube.
Thanks Rist, thats what I thought. There is one really nice oil pump write up in "archives", the only thing I didn't like was the Vaseline part..
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