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Old 07-28-2008, 07:55 PM
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First and Final Road trip for my Wagoneer (Long Post)

If you been around for a while and if you do some searching, you would have read about my lamenting about my 1986 Grand Wagoneer.
Let me bring you up to update:

History
My first FSJ was an '82 Limited, powered by a sick 258 I6.
When the I6 ceased up, I went shopping for a new engine.

I found this '86 Grand Wag on eBay, that had been wrecked in the front, but had a recently rebuilt 360 with about 10-12K miles.
I bought the '86 as a engine donor for my '82.
(WOW, what little did I know in those days, a noobie swapping a 258 for a 360)

But after I saw how great the condition of the '86 was in, less the accident damage, I used the '82 as a donor for the sheet metal for my '86.
It was just sheet metal damage to my '86...nothing structural or mechanical.
The frame was tweaked some, but I paid to have it professionally straighten.
The front fenders and radiator core are from the '82.
The driver door has a little work done to it's leading edge, where the fender was pushed back into it.

There is much bodywork to do before it would be back in prestine condition.
I just threw the '82 sheetmetal on it to see it whole and running.
It is very complete, just not beautiful.
The idea was to go back, finish the bodywork and paint it.

The Good:
No rust!
Fresh AMC 360, bored 30 over, stock cam, have receipts for all the work.
3" Rough Country lift kit.
Lots of tread left on a set Dayton 31" MT tires
No Wood!
Sunroof works and does not leak!

The Bad:
The blinkers do not work.
The wipers do not work.
The driver's window is the only one that rolls down.
The passenger rear door glass will not roll up to the top.
Driver's seat is a clothe unit from some Japanese import.
Sagging headliner.
Exhaust is rotten.
AC has been converted to R134 but has leaked out.
The entire front clip should be removed and installed proper.
Lots of dings and waves in the body...not 100% straight.
Lots of other little things.

It has not moved from beside my house in over 6+ years.
I took it once to an Indiana Jeep Meet and Greet
Once in a while I would drive to my local gas station.
The last couple of years, as I worked on the J20, I used the Wagoneer as a parts rig.

I've been on again, off again, wanting to sell it, keep it for a Diesel Swap Project...wishy/washy.
I had some fellow last year stop and wanted to buy it, but he never came back with the $$$.

JeepBountyHunter wanted to buy it.
We talked about it several times, but we never could seem to close the deal.

Recently, my family and I are facing a serious crisis and very difficult times.
Bottom line, the Wagoneer needed to go.
I contacted Aaron and told him if he still wanted it, the Wag is his.
We would work out the details later, but I was wanting to bring him the Wagoneer in a couple of days.
Sorry to everyone that may have wanted a chance to kick the tires,
but I really did not have time to mess with posting it for sale here and dealing with all that...

So, my family took the Wagoneer on its first and last road trip.
For a rig that has not been anywhere for a very long time, it performed great.

Here is my son, Nathan, my FSJ Jeep Assistant, posing for shots at our local Speedway gas station before we head off on this adventure.









Here we are en route:





I keep being asked if I am sad that I let it go or I regret my decision.
My answer is No.
This was the first FSJ that I owned that I was able to drive and I had some big plans for it.
I am very happy that it went to a fellow FSJ Enthusiast like Aaron, that will appreciate its potential, like I did.
I will miss it, but I am okay with that.

I've had several dealings with Aaron and he is a super nice stand-up kinda fellow.
I was very pleased that he took my rig and while it is no longer my dream, I feel that he will make it his dream.
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Quote:
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...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
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Originally Posted by Lindel
Best laid plans, yada yada yada...

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Old 07-28-2008, 08:04 PM
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Bryan,
I can't thank you enough for this one..it happened so fast, I barely had time to think..lol.
Folks, Bryan truly is giving up a very nice rust free Wag here, yes it's got some quirks like he describes, but it's not really major at all.
And ....most of you know me as a part that thing out guy...but this thing here is way too nice to do that to. I think this will be a future Ouray rig...
And I'll definately have to stop by Bryans and pick him up someday to head out to the sand dunes up there in Michigan...
Thank you Bryan.
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:24 PM
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Hey, I like the 2 tone door! You could start a trend with that.
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Old 07-29-2008, 05:07 AM
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Aaron, Glad you got your hands on another running FSJ. I bet you almost forgot how to drive one..

Bryan, Hang in there bud. If I can be of help just hollar.
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:29 AM
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Yeh I was surprised when I took it up the road last night...
It's got plenty of Pep to it.

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Aaron, Glad you got your hands on another running FSJ. I bet you almost forgot how to drive one..

Bryan, Hang in there bud. If I can be of help just hollar.
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Old 07-29-2008, 02:20 PM
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Glad it worked out for you guys.

Bryan let me know if I can help with anything.

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Old 07-30-2008, 07:23 PM
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Bryan,
I can't thank you enough for this one..it happened so fast, I barely had time to think..lol.
You are very welcome.
Sorry the suddenness of all this...it sorta crept on my as well.
Also, I was sorry that I did not get to stay and visit longer, but I had my family with me and we were enroute to Put-In-Bay for one last Summer family event.
It was a great to get away from all the issues and spend a nice peaceful day together.
Here we are at the top of Perry's Victory and Peace Memorial.


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Folks, Bryan truly is giving up a very nice rust free Wag here, yes it's got some quirks like he describes, but it's not really major at all.
Thanx...it is rust free...one of a few reasons I sorta held onto it.
Electrical quirks always gets the best of me, but after chatting with you some, it seems you have a good plan to rid all the gremlins.

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And ....most of you know me as a part that thing out guy...but this thing here is way too nice to do that to. I think this will be a future Ouray rig...
And I'll definately have to stop by Bryans and pick him up someday to head out to the sand dunes up there in Michigan...
Thank you Bryan.
WOOOHOOO!
I am ready now! HAHAHA
Silver Lake is an awesome place!
I wonder if that Wagoneer would make it up Test Hill without a some sort of locker?
Here my view of Test Hill from riding "shotgun" in Larry Miller's rig in the fall of 2005.


It's long and steep.
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...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:31 PM
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Yeh I was surprised when I took it up the road last night...
It's got plenty of Pep to it.
YESS!
For a engine with a supposed a stock cam and a stock Motorcraft 2150 carb...that thing will move.
I was really surprised how well ran.
It would 75 and not even break a sweat.
Because of the 31" tires, the speedo is off 5 miles per hours.
My wife and daughters were following my in our KIA...she called on the cell phone to let me know she was not gonna drive 80 the whole way there
...so I had back off some.
I tell ya...that 360 is STRONG!
Much stronger than the 360 in my J20.
But, I've got another 360 with a Summit 8600 cam from Larry that is slated for my J20.

That Wag has 3:31 gears while my J20 has 3:73 gears.
My J20 at 70MPH must been turning near 3000 rpm and at 75+, it feels like it wants to jump outta its skin!
That Wag was much faster than my J20, but I am sure my J20 has much more towing performance!
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...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
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Best laid plans, yada yada yada...
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:34 PM
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Bryan, Hang in there bud. If I can be of help just hollar.

Quote:
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Bryan let me know if I can help with anything.

Larry

Thanx for the kind thoughts and warm wishes.
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...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
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Best laid plans, yada yada yada...
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:39 PM
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(WOW, what little did I know in those days, a noobie swapping a 258 for a 360)

Please, forgive my knuckleheadedness here, but Im now under the impression that would be a dopey idea. Could you expand on that some?
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Bryan... It sounds a bit sad that you had to let the Waggy go, but happy that Aaron got a driver at his house! I bet y'all enjoyed the last ride too. You know that J20 would have a bit more pep with a brow on it.

jus kiddin

Sending good thoughts for you and yours.
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:53 PM
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Bryan... It sounds a bit sad that you had to let the Waggy go, but happy that Aaron got a driver at his house! I bet y'all enjoyed the last ride too.
Thanx!
Yes, it was a fun ride.
IT was sorta sad, but trust me..I was very glad Aaron was willing to work with me on such a short notice.
I have way to many vehicles at my house to deal with and now that Wagoneer is one less to worry about.
Like I told my wife and Aaron...I still have the J20 and stored in West Virginia...I have a nice J10.
Later, when the time is right and I want a Wagoneer...I'll get one.
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You know that J20 would have a bit more pep with a brow on it.

jus kiddin
UGHHHHH!!!
A browless J Truck is scientifically faster than one with a silly brow!!
I will admit..I thought that Wagoneer was wicked quick.

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Sending good thoughts for you and yours.
Thanx...I will need all of those I can get.
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...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
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Best laid plans, yada yada yada...

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Old 07-30-2008, 09:31 PM
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Please, forgive my knuckleheadedness here, but Im now under the impression that would be a dopey idea. Could you expand on that some?
Not a dopey idea...just a lot of work.
It has been done before, but is a very involved swap.
Why I thought is was silly for me to think about such a project, because at the time I knew very little about FSJ.

Really, you need to search this forum and you will find gobs of info on this topic.
Last thing I will say about this...is not as simple as moving a couple of motor mounts and dropping in an V8 in place of an I6.
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