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Old 03-03-2009, 02:59 PM
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Ring gear bolt tourque

Ok, so i installed my aussie locker this weekend, and went to tourque the ring gear bolts back down and i went to 50 ft/lbs first thinking that was it. Went throught the manual and found a refernce to 108ft/lbs so i started tourquing and broke off a bolt. this is a d44 front by the way. So, someone tell me, what should i tourque to??
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:02 PM
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A google search brings a few sites and they all listed 100 FT-LBS.
I dont know for sure, but are you even supposed to re use the ring gear bolts? You might not. But like I said, I'm not sure.
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:42 PM
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I don't think you are supposed to resure ring gear bolts but I always have anyways. I've always just gone for "really tight" instead of "tight". I don't own a torque wrench.
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:34 PM
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1 blip on setting #5 of my Ingersol 1/2" impact wrench.
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:31 PM
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your "not" supposed to reuse them but i do anyway! i just torque em to whatever my #4 setting on my impact is(150) i think and use loctite btw!
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:59 PM
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Ok thanks. Best place to get new ring gear bolts?? It shouldnt have snapped before 100 ft/lbs then. Crazy.
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Old 03-05-2009, 10:21 AM
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i got mine from randys ring and pinion.....excellent product,fast shipping and nice people.....although at almost $5 each(for my 14b), hold on to your shorts
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Old 03-05-2009, 01:10 PM
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found them locally at a diff shop for $10 a set
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Old 03-06-2009, 08:17 AM
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be sure and use loctite as well with new bolts.did they give you any insight as to what torque to use?
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Old 03-06-2009, 08:44 AM
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yeah, that shouldn't have snapped. Yeah, it's a pain but better to find it now then later

You are supposed to use new bolts everytime but I have heard of using the old ones without much issue.
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This made me go and look at the install instructions for my Lock-right... it only says "install the ring gear now and torque the bolts". Hmmmmmmm... might need to look into this a little more closely before I install it.
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This made me go and look at the install instructions for my Lock-right... it only says "install the ring gear now and torque the bolts". Hmmmmmmm... might need to look into this a little more closely before I install it.

You only have to remove the ring gear if its too thick to get the cross pin out. If the cross pin will slide past the gear, then you dont even have to pull the carrier.
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As far as I know though you will have pull the ring gear on all D44s to get the cross shaft out. Does anyone know if you have to on the amc 20 or D60?
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Supposedly, on some 44s you can manage it without taking out the ring gear IF you can get the roll pin out and IF the ring is small enough to get the cross pin out. It's supposed to depend on the gearing. High gears you maybe can; low gears you can't. My 3.54s are right at the cutoff, but I'm expecting to have to take the carrier out.
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Old 03-07-2009, 07:19 AM
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This made me go and look at the install instructions for my Lock-right... it only says "install the ring gear now and torque the bolts". Hmmmmmmm... might need to look into this a little more closely before I install it.
I've installed at least a dozen of them after removing the carrier and then reused the ring gear bolts. Never had a problem, yet.
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Old 03-07-2009, 07:21 AM
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This made me go and look at the install instructions for my Lock-right... it only says "install the ring gear now and torque the bolts". Hmmmmmmm... might need to look into this a little more closely before I install it.
I've installed at least a dozen of them after removing the carrier and then used the old ring gear bolts. Never had a problem, yet.
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I put mine on without a torque wrench but I am sure it was no where NEAR 100ft/lbs... It did not take anything like that to get them OFF (as it it was pretty damm easy) and I figured since it had gone 200K miles like that with no bolts coming out (hell the thing looked pretty much new...) it was probably ok to tighten them to about what it took to get them off (I am guessing about 40ft/lbs.. if that)
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Ok D44 ring gear bolts are 55ftlbs torque, and the carrier bearing caps are 75ftlbs.. since nobody looked it up..
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reference for the 55ft/lbs? my manual says 108ft/lbs now that ive found it.
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Old 03-09-2009, 08:46 AM
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Found a good list: Original poster says this comes from spicer

D30

Pinion nut size & thread pitch .750-16
Pinion nut torque (Crush sleeve) 160-500 ft. lbs
Pinion nut torque (solid shims) 160-200 ft. lbs
Pinion bearing preload 15-30 in. lbs.
Ring gear bolt size & thread pitch .375-24
Ring gear bolt torque 70-90 ft. lbs
Carrier bearing cap bolt size & thread pitch .437-14
Carrier bearing cap bolt torque 35-50 ft. lbs
Diff cover bolt size & thread pitch .312-18
Diff cover bolt torque 28-33 ft. lbs
Carrier case ratios 3.55- / 3.73+


D35

Pinion nut size & thread pitch .875-20
Pinion nut torque (Crush sleeve) 170-500 ft. lbs
Pinion bearing preload 15-35 in. lbs.
Ring gear bolt size & thread pitch .375-24
Ring gear bolt torque 70-90 ft. lbs
Carrier bearing cap bolt size & thread pitch .437-14
Carrier bearing cap bolt torque 47-67 ft. lbs
Diff cover bolt size & thread pitch .312-18
Diff cover bolt torque 28-33 ft. lbs
Carrier case ratios 3.31- / 3.54+

D44

Pinion nut size & thread pitch .750-16
Pinion nut torque (Crush sleeve) 160-500 ft. lbs
Pinion nut torque (solid shims) 160-200 ft. lbs
Pinion bearing preload 20-45 in. lbs.
Ring gear bolt size & thread pitch .375-24
Ring gear bolt torque 70-90 ft. lbs
Carrier bearing cap bolt size & thread pitch .500-13
Carrier bearing cap bolt torque 70-90 ft. lbs
Diff cover bolt size & thread pitch .312-18
Diff cover bolt torque 28-33 ft. lbs
Carrier case ratios 3.73- / 3.92+

D60

Pinion nut size & thread pitch .875-14
Pinion nut torque (Crush sleeve) 160-500 ft. lbs
Pinion nut torque (solid shims) 220-280 ft. lbs.
Pinion bearing preload 20-45 in. lbs.
Ring gear bolt size & thread pitch .500-20
Ring gear bolt torque 120-140 ft. lbs
Carrier bearing cap bolt size & thread pitch .500-13
Carrier bearing cap bolt torque 70-90 ft. lbs
Diff cover bolt size & thread pitch .375-16
Diff cover bolt torque 30-40 ft. lbs
Carrier case ratios 4.10- / 4.56+

D70

Pinion nut size & thread pitch .875-14
Pinion nut torque (solid shims) 220-280 ft. lbs.
Pinion bearing preload 20-45 in. lbs.
Ring gear bolt size & thread pitch .500-20
Ring gear bolt torque 120-140 ft. lbs
Carrier bearing cap bolt size & thread pitch .500-13
Carrier bearing cap bolt torque 70-90 ft. lbs
Diff cover bolt size & thread pitch .375-16
Diff cover bolt torque 30-40 ft. lbs
Carrier case ratios (D70) 4.10- / 4.56+
Carrier case ratios (D70-3HD) 3.42- / 3.73+

D80

Pinion nut size & thread pitch 1.250-12
Pinion nut torque (solid shims) 440-500 ft. lbs.
Ring gear bolt size & thread pitch .562-18
Ring gear bolt torque .200-240 ft. lbs.
Carrier bearing cap bolt size & thread pitch .500-13
Carrier bearing cap bolt torque 70-90 ft. lbs
Diff cover bolt size & thread pitch .375-16
Diff cover bolt torque 30-40 ft. lbs
Carrier case ratios 3.73- / 4.10+
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