International Full Size Jeep Association
Home Forums Reader's Rigs Tech Library Trail Stories FSJ-List
International Full Size Jeep Association  

Go Back   International Full Size Jeep Association > Tire Kickin' > General FSJ Tech

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-03-2007, 08:18 PM
toyotajeep toyotajeep is offline
Master Mechanic
 
Join Date: Oct 29, 2003
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 939
Dana 44 Axle Weight?

Hello,

I am contemplating a new set of axles for a Cj build and I need to know the weight of some axles.

What is the actual weight of a complete front NT Dana 44 out of say a mid to late 70's Wagoneer?

Preferably seperate front and rear weights.

Anyone shipped any of these etc. and gotten a weight?

ROB
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-04-2007, 06:58 AM
janie's Avatar
janie janie is offline
Dexron Impaired
 
Join Date: Aug 11, 2001
Location: Mallards Roost, TX
Posts: 8,275
Rob,

Not sure about the NT, but the WT front Dana 44 tips the scales at about 500 lbs.
__________________
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. Faithful and true to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-04-2007, 02:33 PM
cincyjeeprs cincyjeeprs is offline
Gear Head
 
Join Date: Oct 15, 2003
Location: cincinnati, ohio
Posts: 562
I've got an exact set like that in my garage right now waiting for me to get them ready for my Willys. Let me get home tonight and I'll drop them on my foot. I'll let you know how heavy they feel. I know I can only pick up one end at a time. Those suckers are heavy, complete with drums.

What if I put a bathroom scale under each end and add them together. Will that work? (Seriously, will that work?)
__________________
'85 CJ8 Shiny but Rough
'54 Willys Aero Lark, 161 F-Head six
'90 SJ Everything works - sorta. (edit: most things...edit: some things)
'02 WJ Overland (Red Pill)
'04 WJ Overland (Blue Pill)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-04-2007, 09:20 PM
toyotajeep toyotajeep is offline
Master Mechanic
 
Join Date: Oct 29, 2003
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 939
Whoa! 500LBS..........I am making a lightweight CJ-5 with my students and I'm just shopping around for axles.

I may have to use axles after my namesake!

Thank you. Any one with NT weights?

ROB
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-04-2007, 09:58 PM
Dmntxn77's Avatar
Dmntxn77 Dmntxn77 is offline
Hey watch this...
 
Join Date: Nov 19, 2004
Location: Bushland, TX
Posts: 8,329
All axles are heavy, but D44's probably have the best weight to strength ratio..

What are the other specs on your CJ? That would help determine your best axle choices...
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-04-2007, 10:13 PM
toyotajeep toyotajeep is offline
Master Mechanic
 
Join Date: Oct 29, 2003
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 939
Here is the dealio. I am building a low weight DD capable CJ-5 that will get close to 20mpg and push 37-38 tires. Before you say I am nuts, here is how. I am using a toyota engine, tranny and t.case. I have the whole truck here now. It would seem logical to just use all the yota stuff.....I know.

The only reason why the Dana's are on the table is that I already have alot of the support parts, I have 5.38's already, and a Trac-Loc for the front etc. Two main reasons, cheaper and they would match my tow rig which uses Wagoneer 44's.

According to my limited research the solid-axle yota front axle weighs around 275 or slightly less, and the rear weighs 210 or so.

BTW- My screen name is derived from my earlier days when I made a Toyota powered CJ-5. It had 5.71's with 38" tires and got upper teens. I hoping to better that with much less weight and so forth.

I guess I am answering my own question right now.....

I would still like to know the weight just to help in the math process.

Thank you, ROB

Looking like the
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-04-2007, 10:16 PM
TPICherokee's Avatar
TPICherokee TPICherokee is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jul 02, 2001
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Posts: 3,202
Quote:
Originally Posted by janie
Rob,

Not sure about the NT, but the WT front Dana 44 tips the scales at about 500 lbs.

500?!!? That can't be right, can it? If 2 regular size people can lift one, it can't weigh that much...
__________________
www.bjsoffroad.com - BJ's Off-Road - Your Full-Size Jeeps Parts Specialist
1979 Cherokee Chief - 6-inch BJ's Off-Road Lift Kit, TPI Chev 350, 700R4 with NP208 and 4.56 gears, 35x12.50R17, Rhino Front End, J-Truck Rear Axle, GoMango Orange.
1967 M715 - 454 Chevy, TH400, 1100R16 Michelin XZL Tires, Stock otherwise
1996 Suburban Cummins 6BT Swap
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-04-2007, 10:22 PM
shepherdskeep's Avatar
shepherdskeep shepherdskeep is offline
Grease Monkey
 
Join Date: Aug 12, 2006
Location: Russellville, TN
Posts: 277
2 regular sized people can lift a D44 rear easy - but a FRONT D44 is another story. It took 3 guys to move my spare WT front into & out of the trailer - and we all nearly busted a gut doing so. The inner & outer knuckles make the extra weight, followed by the brakes.

I don't have exact weights though, sorry.
__________________
-Rob

Bluegill on www.4x4Grace.com

79 Cherokee WT
01 TJ Sport

It's a Jeep thing!

Last edited by shepherdskeep : 09-04-2007 at 10:37 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-04-2007, 10:29 PM
Dmntxn77's Avatar
Dmntxn77 Dmntxn77 is offline
Hey watch this...
 
Join Date: Nov 19, 2004
Location: Bushland, TX
Posts: 8,329
I loaded a front and rear N/T D44 from an 86 Waggy, and a front and rear W/T D44 from my Chief on a trailer by myself, so I woudnt call them nut busting or anything..

BTW, neither had wheels and tires on them, and it wasnt easy, but i wouldnt be afraid to do it again..
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-04-2007, 10:38 PM
malodin's Avatar
malodin malodin is offline
Bleedin' Gasoline
 
Join Date: Sep 03, 2004
Location: sumner washinton
Posts: 1,526
i pulled the front widetrack axle outta my fsj by my self with no one to help and moved it way out of the way of where i was working without much problems, yes its heavy but 500 does seem eccessive
__________________
1977 CHEROKEE CHIEF, 401, SOA FRONT SITTING ON HD44 4.10'S, TH400/D300 COMBO, 14BFF REAR WITH TT'S FAB'S REAR SHAKLE FLIP KIT, RB'S BRONCO TANK MOD. 35'S
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-05-2007, 05:12 AM
Subic Jeep's Avatar
Subic Jeep Subic Jeep is offline
Gear Head
 
Join Date: Apr 03, 2007
Location: Philippines
Posts: 549
http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbuild/

Speaking of weight, we decided to throw the stock axles and the Pro-Rocks on a scale to see how much weight we gained in the swap. A stock TJ Dana 44 rear axle tips the scales at 221 pounds versus the Pro-Rock 60's 338 pounds. Up front the factory TJ Dana 30 weighs in at 238 pounds and the Pro-Rock front a portly 473 pounds. Overall, the axle swap only added 352 pounds to our Jeep. That's less than what we added by switching from 30-inch tires to 37s. Besides, the added weight complements stability by lowering your Jeep's center of gravity to help prevent rollovers. Reducing unnecessary weight is a good idea, but a well-designed, heavier axle that always performs is better than a lightweight axle that breaks down frequently.

http://www.jpmagazine.com/projectbui...t_4/index.html
__________________
Lars

I am in the five bananas category!
Cherokee 1981 officially 1974 huh local irony
Gen 1 GM-SB 350 V8 TBI - TH400 - Klune V - Twin stick NP205 w. Nippon shifter
Dana 60 w. ARB locker, hydraulic assist + GM 14FF w. Detroit locker.4-link rear on LC80 19mm coils
Rancho 5036 Shocks 14 inch travel. 39.5x15.5x15 TSL
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-05-2007, 06:14 AM
toyotajeep toyotajeep is offline
Master Mechanic
 
Join Date: Oct 29, 2003
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 939
It seems like I had heard at one time that a GM 60 SRW weighed 618 or so. I know it was way heavier than any 44..........way heavier.

Currently I am looking at the spring thing. I'll post up on that.

Thanks people, ROB
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-05-2007, 08:04 AM
LTS06 LTS06 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 29, 2006
Location: Ocala, FL
Posts: 246
I have picked up a front D-44 (mine...from a wagoneer) by myself. I'm a big guy but I agree that 500 seems excessive even for a complete axle. (***I didn't really move it anywhere but I can/did pick it up***)

I had an XJ D-44 rear shipped at about 275#...I doubt the knuckles/hubs/spindles add 225#. I could believe 400 but if I can lift 500# I am stronger than I thought.
__________________
1973 J2000 360/T15
1978 CJ-5 304/T-150/D-20 STOCK
1987 MJ 10B/14B axles with 5.13's
1967 M-416 1/4 ton trailer
1974 Scout II 345/T-18/D-20
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-05-2007, 08:36 AM
SCscoutguy's Avatar
SCscoutguy SCscoutguy is offline
Gear Head
 
Join Date: Jul 25, 2005
Location: Florence SC
Posts: 692
There is no way a front widetrack dana 44 weights 500lbs. I took one out of a J-10 and picked it up by myself and lifted it a few feet up into my trailer. Then I took it off the trailer and walked about 15 feet with it to put it on jackstands.
__________________
John
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-05-2007, 08:58 AM
janie's Avatar
janie janie is offline
Dexron Impaired
 
Join Date: Aug 11, 2001
Location: Mallards Roost, TX
Posts: 8,275
Fellas, I know something was posted about the weight of the WT 44 not to long ago. I'm a doing a search now to try and find it. Obviously, I've never picked one up, but I know I saw on here where someone mentioned the weight being right at 500 pounds.
__________________
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. Faithful and true to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-05-2007, 09:17 AM
BLiP's Avatar
BLiP BLiP is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 24, 2006
Location: Houston
Posts: 163
Ok the front is W/T d44 axle is DEFIANTLY heavy took myself and another guy to load it up in the back of my stepdads truck and I am a pretty strong guy I can pick the rear W/T d44 up by myself from off the ground pretty easily if I am warmed up cant go much higher than chest height though. The front one I can barely drag around on the ground and my back will be killing me afterwards. I would say the front is about 400lbs maybe slightly more And the rear is maybe 200lbs maybe slightly more. Oh and who cares if will drive around on 38 inch tires I wanna see it able to wheel around on 38s without breaking
__________________
81 Cherokee W/T T18 D20
http://www.myspace.com/blipondarader
Shallow Pockets Racing Team
That Blowed up Real Good
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-05-2007, 09:44 AM
Cecil14's Avatar
Cecil14 Cecil14 is offline
FSJ Maniac
 
Join Date: Jan 22, 2001
Location: Lake Orion, MI
Posts: 4,702
There is no freakin way a front D44 weighs 500#. My rear mog 404 weighs 500# and lemme tell ya the D44 is nowhere even close. I would guess 350-400 tops. I'm not a huge guy and I can move the danas around without too much hassle.


aa
__________________
Anthony

1983 J-10 - 4.6L(MPFI)/CS130D/NV3550/D300/44/44/3.54/32
1983 Honda CB1100F
1983 Honda CB1000C
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-05-2007, 10:03 AM
Mikel's Avatar
Mikel Mikel is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 09, 2000
Location: New Haven, CT
Posts: 5,735
I once lifted a Dana 70 housing all by myself. Now, excuse me while I go to the chiropractor...
__________________
1969 M715, 6x6 project
1963 J300, 4BT, NV4500, NP200 D60/D70.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-05-2007, 11:07 AM
Dmntxn77's Avatar
Dmntxn77 Dmntxn77 is offline
Hey watch this...
 
Join Date: Nov 19, 2004
Location: Bushland, TX
Posts: 8,329
I have loaded a rear D60 on a trailer by my self.. It wasnt that bad either. It was a bit harder than the D44 though.

Now on the otherhand.. I loaded a front HD44 on the trailer at the same time. I am surprised that I have been able to make babies after that one... I dont remember the exact differences besides the 8 lugs and thicker tubes, but that thing was HEAVY...
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-05-2007, 02:10 PM
AlsChopShop's Avatar
AlsChopShop AlsChopShop is offline
One-man wolf pack
 
Join Date: Sep 20, 2005
Location: Portland, Orygun!
Posts: 5,433
i've never lifted a complete 44 before, just a wt front with no knuckles and shafts so it was pretty light with only the housing and gearset. but the wt 44 rear is not comfortable to lift by ones self when its complete drum to drum.

i just bought a corporate 14b full floater, while trying to load it into the back of the truck (with 31" load E rollers!) with help from my bud he said it weighs 750lbs... i believe it! it took two of us to load it, thank goodness joe is a big guy. i didn't unload it, but it took 3 regular sized people to unload it from the truck. pansies.

Al
__________________
79 Cherokee Chief "Kronk" - TBI350/SM465/NP205
91 Chevy K1500 - Over 300k original motor
07 Mazdaspeed3 GT - Dark red metallic matte wrap, Cobb AP, CS SRI, CS TIP, CS BPV, Custom RMM, CPe HPFP, Cobb f&r sways, M2 catless DP, Cobb CBE, Cobb FMIC, Custom SSP, CS leather shift knob, Konig Runaway 18x8, 245's.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
corner corner