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Old 06-18-2007, 10:11 AM
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First Step down the Diesel Swap Path

I've taken my first step down the Diesel Swap path.
I have been talking about it for quite some time, but now, I own a Diesel Donor.
OhioJ20 turned me onto this:

1993 GMC Vandura 3500 Utility VAN 6.2L Diesel 1 ton (I hope this link works)



It is a 1993 GMC Vandura 3500 Utility VAN powered by a 6.2L Diesel and backed by a 4L80 tranny.

The PROs
• 1993 was the last year for the 6.2L Diesel and should have all the refinements/updates/upgrades for a factory 6.2.
Such as, modern real main seal, serpentine belt system, updated DB2 injector pump, etc..
• VAN Diesels are different than Truck/Blazer/'burb motors as they have different exhaust manifolds, water pump inlets, other smaller items
• 4L80 has a stand alone computer and are easy to rebuild! (thanx JeepInPete)
• Suppose to run 'great' (we'll see, I hope it does)
• The Mirrors, large fuel tank(?) and 16" load range E tires will go on my J20.
• As the 14 bolt rearend is too wide for my Wag, I might could sell it to recoup some of my cost.
• It was cheap!

The CONs
• It's 340 miles from me. (time)
• It has 197,753 miles on the clock, but I've been told that if a 6.2l has been taken care of, that should be okay with this many miles.
Being that is a cargo van, I am hoping these are highway miles.
• It's 4L80 slips bad, but can lot drive (tranny rebuild $$$)
• I need to trailer it or flat tow it home (gas $$$)
Any suggestions as to which would be better?
• I need to find a place to park it while I pull the drivetrain out (I need to be good neighbor) (space)

My goal is to make my '86 Grand Wagoneer a DD to replace my ailing '99 Grand Cherokee (WJ).
My WJ gets approx 18 on the highway (I may have gotten 20 once)
and about 15-16 in town.
I would love to get as good if not better MPG with a larger vehicle while using cheaper fuel.
Besides, my Waggie is way kewler than my WJ would ever be!

This is a long term project that I will work on a little at a time.
My budget is very limited for such hobbies.
I will most certainly will be asking many more questions and post pics as I go along.

If my WJ get any worse, which I am sure it will, I may accelerate this project.
It really depends on which is cheaper to fix at the time.

Today, it's a wash, about the same amount of investment of time and $$$ to either repair the WJ or swap a Diesel into the Wag.
Which should be an indicator of how bad the WJ is.

I'll make another posting with the details and pics of when I go collect it.
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:06 AM
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Congrats Bryan! You won't be sorry, well during the process you may think that at times. Feel free to email me or call me or my dad for help. You should try to make it out to our NE Ohio/Mich meet.

You got a good deal, I spent $500 on both of my donor 6.2 and so did my dad.
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Old 06-18-2007, 02:48 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6-2-INSIDE-DECAL-CHEVY-2500-3500-SUBURBAN-DIESEL_W0QQitemZ230142371859QQihZ013QQcategoryZ504 47QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Old 06-18-2007, 03:25 PM
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The PROs

• It was cheap!

Glad to hear you got a deal!

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The CONs

Being that is a cargo van, I am hoping these are highway miles.

I was in construction for longer than id care to mention, and I had racked up TONS of miles on my company Vans... highway mileage was minimal.

At any rate CONGRATS.. a diesel project is always in the back of my mind. If i decide to keep this wag forever.. its getting a diesel when the 360 gives up the ghost.
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:39 PM
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Nice!



I thought of replacing the stock Grand Wagoneer hood emblem for one of these:
Chevy 6.2 Litre Diesel hood ornament as-is



Maybe much later, one of these decals:
6.2 L Diesel Turbo Decal Chrome

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Old 06-18-2007, 06:45 PM
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Glad to hear you got a deal!
I think a great deal! (so far)

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I was in construction for longer than id care to mention, and I had racked up TONS of miles on my company Vans... highway mileage was minimal.
All the van where I work out have tons of highway miles.
Very little stop and go stuff.
Anyways, I hope none these nearly 200K miles are bad ones!

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At any rate CONGRATS.. a diesel project is always in the back of my mind. If i decide to keep this wag forever.. its getting a diesel when the 360 gives up the ghost.
I've been talking about this swap for few years now.
Recently, I've been quiet on the topic, for I do not want to burn folks out with all talk and no do.
Well, I can feel good about yammering again, for I'm a DO'N! HAHAHAHA
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1982 J10: Replacement engine now sitting in the truck! No Cab Brow! Future DD
1981 J20: Commercial flat bed. Long term Project: RUST! No Cab Brow!

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...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
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Best laid plans, yada yada yada...
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because Ristow sez so
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:49 AM
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Now its time to watch out for a 4L80e 4x4 output shaft on ebay. And a 32 spline input TC to go with it (NP241s are common). Sounds like the makings of a grand Grand Wagoneer!
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Old 06-19-2007, 12:34 PM
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Kewl glad to see you got it!
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