Thanks for 130 pages of $#!* Haynes

[hcm]

What a complete and utter waste of $25.00. I bought this book primarily for the wiring diagrams and electrical information. I needed to know the colour codes for the fuel guage sender and the values of the sender itself. The book said it should be a Tan wire and both my Jeeps have a Purple wire. The book says the sender is M/T 0 ohms and Full would be 110 ohms. On both my Jeeps the values are reversed and are M/T 85 ohms and Full 10 ohms. When my power door locks failed, the book said the wires were Tan and Lt/Green, Mine are all Black and Blue. Could Jeeps reputation for superb build quality have let me down? Could both of mine been built on the Monday after a long weekend? Both are in very much original condition and were not altered or modified.
When i finally bought a reproduction service manual, the quality was good and accurate, but the wiring diagrams were poorly reproduced and printed.The wiring information on oljeep.com is good but is also hard to print into usefull sizes. I am not surprised to see so much hacked up and butchered wiring when good information is not always available.On the bottom of the Haynes Manual is the quote "INCLUDES ESSENTIAL INFORMATION FOR TODAY'S MORE COMPLEX VEHICLES". I really hope that Haynes doesn't publish manuals for defibrulators, heart monitors and other medical equipment.

[TexTJ209]

Yup. Haynes and Chilton are both fairly crappy...nice for one or two things, but absolutely worthless compared to the Factory Manuals.

[Shaggin' Wagon]

I imagine that you at least ingested a few beers during the reading of the manual. That's something........

[andy d]

for yr specific wiring diagrams search for Tom, ol jeepy, Collins's website. Hint. put your jeep model year, drive train and any mods in your sig and you will get better responses.

[Kali]

i only use the haynes/chiltons when im in a rush. they seem slightly easier to navigate. but if i need some real info i always go to the factory manual first.

[joe]

Originally Posted by andy d

for yr specific wiring diagrams search for Tom, ol jeepy, Collins's website. Hint. put your jeep model year, drive train and any mods in your sig and you will get better responses.

Here ya go
http://oljeep.com/gw/elec/GW_wiring.html
Yeah Haynes/Childrens are terrible manuals. Incomplete and usually wrong.

[hcm]

I've been to the oljeep site for those diagrams. The problem is printing them out for use. I can't print a page that size nor resize them for smaller page size.

[TexTJ209]

Print sections out, then cut/tape them back into the full-size diagram, thats what I did.

[hcm]

I haven't tried the print and tape yet. That is worth a try.

[Jeepjohnny]

I really hope that Haynes doesn't publish manuals for defibrulators, heart monitors and other medical equipment.

thats so funny, I seriously hope they don't as well!

I agree with TexTJ209, the Haynes and Chilton manuals are good for somethings. And I'm still saving all my pennies for the factory manual (if I can find it)

[TexTJ209]

Originally Posted by Jeepjohnny

thats so funny, I seriously hope they don't as well!

I agree with TexTJ209, the Haynes and Chilton manuals are good for somethings. And I'm still saving all my pennies for the factory manual (if I can find it)

I've gotten both my 77 and my 79 FSMs off of eBay for around $20-30 each. Keep watching and eventually they will appear...


You can't really expect the Haynes or Chilton's to be good though...just read the cover. They cover some 50 years of Jeep vehicles from the Early Gladiators, Wagoneers, FCs, Commandos, Cherokees, etc. They do this in a book half the size of most FSMs, and those only cover one year and four or so vehicle types.

[drlocke]

Chiltons/Haynes I've found generally to be unsatisfactory. Motor manuals seem to be a cut better. The FSM is the way to go. And ditto about Oljeep; there is some good info there.

[gmarblestone]

Ok time for me to stick up for them... I am sure they suck, but for a complete novice they are pretty good, at least i have found them somewhat useful. They are not perfect as they cover many years and are wrong, but they give me the overall "jist" of what i need to do and look for... then i come here to ask the questions they dont answer

G

[derf]

Go get a reproduction FSM: http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/...t.asp?scat=118

Granted, they're photocopies but they're good quality photocopies. I have one for my Cherokee and it's a very valuable reference.

Even so, I still use my Haynes manual from time to time. It covers a lot of the basics on general maintenance and repair that I forget now and again.

[J4GRAND]

Yup. Haynes and Chilton are both fairly crappy...nice for one or two things

Emergency toilet paper while out on the trail....

[Sambo]

Originally Posted by J4GRAND

Emergency toilet paper while out on the trail....

lol i use mine as a door stop!

[ohioj20]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are the Haynes and Chilton manuals written and published by the same people?

[ohioj20]

Originally Posted by derf

Go get a reproduction FSM: http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/...t.asp?scat=118

Granted, they're photocopies but they're good quality photocopies. I have one for my Cherokee and it's a very valuable reference.

Even so, I still use my Haynes manual from time to time. It covers a lot of the basics on general maintenance and repair that I forget now and again.

Does the IFSJA discount apply?? the 1990 is a good chunk of change!

[TPICherokee]

Originally Posted by ohioj20

Does the IFSJA discount apply?? the 1990 is a good chunk of change!

Yes, it does apply. Also, remember that the price included shipping.

THanks!

[AlsChopShop]

i don't think my haynes manual has left the plastic wrap....

fwiw, i've never even opened the TSM either. in past rigs i use the haynes manual fairly regularly, but these jeeps are so simple i just dig in and ask here when i'm in over my head.

Al