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11-06-2006, 08:01 PM
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WT Waggy?
I found a very clean, almost rust free 86 waggy for sale but its an odd one because it has, what looks like, WT flares on it. It all looks very original too. Did they ever make a WT wagoneer in 86? I am a little confused. I am going to try to snap a few shots of it tomorrow.
Oh yeah, I got the VIN off of it. 1JCNJ15U1GT187048
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11-06-2006, 08:06 PM
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The vin indicates model 15 - not a wide track (wide tracks were cheros only, up to 1983, after which chero went little). Probably someone added the flares and possibly w/t axles later. Was it 4 door? I'd like to see pictures.
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11-06-2006, 08:28 PM
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It is a 4 door but the rear axle looks like an AMC 20. I will try to take a couple of pics tomorrow and post them.
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11-06-2006, 08:32 PM
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It is a 4 door but the rear axle looks like an AMC 20. I will try to take a couple of pics tomorrow and post them.
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80-83 CHEROKEES had wide AMC 20'S
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11-06-2006, 08:45 PM
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80-83 CHEROKEES had wide AMC 20'S
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Interesting, should I measure the axle? What's the width of a WT AMC 20? What do you measure from? |
11-06-2006, 08:53 PM
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Interesting, should I measure the axle? What's the width of a WT AMC 20? What do you measure from?
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usually measured wheel mounting surface (WMS) to WMS if you do a search that spec should be here somewhere, or someone will post it.
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11-06-2006, 08:59 PM
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My 78, Chief, wide track rear measures 61" WMS to WMS.
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11-07-2006, 12:15 PM
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11-07-2006, 12:20 PM
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Air bag overloads from the looks of it. The fender "jeep" emblems are from a child chero (downsized version) From what I can see, does not look like they split the rear flare to put on the door. They cut the door instead?
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11-07-2006, 12:38 PM
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Wow Scott. Nice find! This is custom as Chrysler would have never done this. I just can't see it being a factory job. Looks good too. Also looks like WT axels installed. If you get by there again, it would be interesting to see how the rear door fits around the rear fender flare.
There was a company in SoCal that made some Super Chief WT Wagoneers in the mid 70s. That is the closest I have seen to any WT Wagoneers that sold "new". I have a black and white photo from what looked to be a magazine or newspaper article of some kind. I wonder where that image is anyways...
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11-07-2006, 12:54 PM
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Wow Scott. Nice find! This is custom as Chrysler would have never done this. I just can't see it being a factory job. Looks good too. Also looks like WT axels installed. If you get by there again, it would be interesting to see how the rear door fits around the rear fender flare.
There was a company in SoCal that made some Super Chief WT Wagoneers in the mid 70s. That is the closest I have seen to any WT Wagoneers that sold "new". I have a black and white photo from what looked to be a magazine or newspaper article of some kind. I wonder where that image is anyways...
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I havent bought it yet. I am not sure what they are even asking. The sign in the back use to say "needs work" but it has been sitting there for almost 3 years. Dont even know if it runs or not. What do you guys think that something like that might be worth?? |
11-07-2006, 12:59 PM
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Depending on overall condition, running 1500 to 2000, not running 1/2 that. Just depends on what you want, and how bad you want it. Out here it would prob. go for a little more than that. Looks like it might also have around a 3-4 inch lift, judging by the block in the last pic.
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11-07-2006, 01:26 PM
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couple more questions. The year (86) would tell me it has a NP208? Is this a good TC? Is that the selec-trac? Does it have a 4x4 hi and 4x4 lo?
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11-07-2006, 01:32 PM
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The year (86) would tell me it has a NP208?
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Since it doesn't have manual hubs on the front, it probably has the NP228 that was used for only one year- 1986. Same case as the 229 but without the vicous coupler. It should have a hi-low shifter handle next to the driver on the side of the tranny hump.
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11-07-2006, 01:33 PM
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yeah,i like it.
a lot!
very well done custom job.
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11-07-2006, 01:34 PM
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86 was the year of NP228. It could be a 229 depending on actual manufacture date. Since it is an AMC 20 in the back, I would guess 228 tho. The 208 was only available on special package GWs (police or gov't usually) and Jtrucks at that time.
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11-07-2006, 02:29 PM
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Bearing in mind since it appears the W/T axles were put under it, it could be a 208 and the donor axles could have come from a full time rig. If a 208 the shifter will be on the left side of the trans tunnel between the dash and seat. If the rear diff cover is a plain round dog dish then is a 20. If it looks like the front then a 44. Probably looking at either 2.72's or 3.31's for gearing unless a R&P swap has been done.
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11-07-2006, 03:15 PM
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DOH... yeah, being it has clearly got some non stock mods, no telling what is actually under it. Knock on the door and see if you can check it out Scott.
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11-07-2006, 03:38 PM
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DOH... yeah, being it has clearly got some non stock mods, no telling what is actually under it. Knock on the door and see if you can check it out Scott.
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I plan on doing that in the next day or so. I will take a pic of the rear doors too. Not sure what a 228, 229 or 208 look like tho  |
11-07-2006, 04:18 PM
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The rear body lines above that flare look kinda funky..
But yeah, when you go back make sure to get some closeup pics of that rear flare.
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