Building Subframes for more lift

[floater]

Frist look in my signature...now how can i build a subframe! I want 4 more inches of lift and my springs and blocks are a bit stretched as it is , so i thought of a subframe i want to fit 44-49s under it i can clear 42s now with a little rub. Does any one have any plans for it and , does any one know where i can get a supercharging kit for a 350 buick.
Thanks

[Stuka]

What kind of lift do you have now? are those 7" lift springs (i sure hope you dont have 7" blocks...) or is it a spring over in front, and 4" lift springs with 3" blocks in back, or what?

Also: may want to be looking for a D60 front, and either 35 spline D60 upgrade in back, or a 14FF/D70 in back to keep from snapping axles like pretzels.

[ February 11, 2005, 07:10 PM: Message edited by: Stuka ]

[tomd]

I'm gonna say you have plenty of lift, possibly too much, need to bust out hte sawzall.... And get rid of the blocks. Just my opinion, and hope your D44 front holds up with the boggers, and it won't with 44-49s so hope you are in the market for some built tons or bigger....

[floater]

sorry not to be specific ya i have custom built spring over front and i built my own springs with 4 in and 3 in with blocks. Also i have dana 90s comin for my rear and 60 for the front.

[Mavawreck]

I am curious about some things

1. 1979 Wagoneer Widetrack? S?

2. 1979 with a buick 350?

3. 4.38s?

5. 3.5" pipes?

6. 450hp?

id like to hear some more about your rig, sounds truly custom.

[Kris]

This is a bogus post.

450 hp buick 350 ?
3.5" pipes ?
Hydro steering ?
Built his own springs ?
Dana 90 ?
Unsigned ?

He said it himself...
"Frist look in my signature...now how can i build a subframe!"

He doesnt know ?

kris.

[Retro93]

Originally posted by Kris:
This is a bogus post.

450 hp buick 350 ?
3.5" pipes ?
Hydro steering ?
Built his own springs ?
Dana 90 ?
Unsigned ?

He said it himself...
"Frist look in my signature...now how can i build a subframe!"

He doesnt know ?

kris.

YUP.. BSpost for sure.

[tomd]

Glad our newbs really want to be here and all....Love to see this board turn into BS

[HARDCORE pacer]

Not all us newbs are here to BS

[floater]

hold up there nothin here is bs ... frist off i meant pounds of tourque ,stock the buick 350 that came out of the wagonner came stock with 350 when my dad frist got and put the 350 buick in it dynoed at 230 pounds of tourque and around 365 ft/lbs pounds of tourque thats with 3 1/2 exhaust pipes and headers ...let me put up a site for ya http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/engines.shtml second i have a alot more mods for the engine then shown includes modifed 350 edel brock manifold , custom cermaic hearders , port and polish heads and over sized valves.. this is mostly a frakenstein motor that ive moded the parts from bigger blocks with execption of couple diffrent aftermarket parts ... my 3 speed tranny has been build with stronger better gearing yokes and case. my t case is np 205 that i adapted to the 3speed. on the springs i build them at my shop next to my house.. its not hard you just have to have the equip.. i dont pay for any thing to get done to my rig.. its all me. Hydro steering also known hydraluic steering is when you have steering enhancers to help you turn big tires it pushes agianst the steering units kinda like an auto matic push or a super powre steering.. works off aa rock ram hydraluic steering asisant ...lastly why the Dana 90s? Ive seen many big rigs with dana 80s 90s and 125s... please come back with more specific questions , dont waste my time kittys if you dont know how to build a sub frame or have any dumb *** questionms

[floater]

230 hp..

[floater]

Ive also noticed most of you only have 3-5in and range from 27-35s in tires , ive got 10in of lift and 39.5 boggers.. only talk if you know whats comin out of your mouth

[Earthmonster]

Hey floater,
I for one would like to see some pics of your rig, and I am sure most others would 2. As of right now all the talk is in the numbers. If you pulled it off, good for you! A picture speaks a thousand words though.

[tomd]

Okay, so why do you need 10" of lift for 39.5" boggers, does that make you "cool" or something? I know myself and many others, if were wanting 39.5" tires wouldn't want 10" of lift, the sawzall can give you plenty of clearance with a lot less lift meaning more stability...

One of the problems we are having, is you can go and build springs, build up a motor, hydro assist, etc, yet you can't figure out how to build a subframe?!?!?! Also, where didya get the 4.38 gears? What kind of 3spd ya got? Whats the buick stroked out to?

Final question for now, do you wheel?

[ February 11, 2005, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: tomd ]

[78indian]

heh...just gonna wait for a pic!

[Bob Barry]

Things that I never knew existed before this thread:

* An Edelbrock intake for the Buick 350
* A D90 rear axle (knew of the Rover by that name, but never heard of the Spicer product with that designation)
* 4.38 gears for a Dana axle
* Steel Mickey-Thompson wheels
* A Widetrack "S" version of the Wagoneer

But as for help with a subframe, I'm afraid I won't be able to tell you much; I've only got 38" tires with SOA and the stock springs.

Here's a page where you might find some examples and ideas about building a subframe:

http://128.83.80.200/taco/scarysteering.html



Good luck!

[tomd]

Oh bob, i love it..... hehehe

[scotty]

yikes! dr bob,i wouldnt want to be sitting in that thing when a strong wind came by [img]tongue.gif[/img]

on the subframe building,i agree about the lift. if you want to pimp it around town and climb a rope ladder into it,build away. space the body and frame way up there. i saw a chevy at haspin acres once with 2 spaced up frames,way tall,made the 42s look small.had a 6" spring lift,a 3" body lift between frame 1 and frame 2,and another 3" body lift between frame 2 and the body.

that truck was just about the dumbest,most useless thing ive ever seen in my life. all he could do was run thru the mudholes in the open fields,could not actually go on any of the trails great for the "look how big i am" cool factor at cruise ins at the local frishes,but really crappy for any kind of real world trail riding.

nothing wrong with wanting to run 49s,but if your rig is being built to wheel and not just for show, keep lift to a minimum and remove some sheetmetal to fit them

i run 38s with a 3" SUA lift spring and 3" body lift.

my $.02

[ February 12, 2005, 04:58 AM: Message edited by: scotty ]

[Crazy_Jeepman]

Buick 350 did not come stock in a 79
There is no Edelbrock intakes available for the Buick 350.

[joe]

Yup and as Dr Bob said there are no 4.38 gears for a Dana axle.
The 230hp you dad had dyno'd is BS. 230 is the factory HP rating and back prior to 72 HP was gross hp as in the motor was tested with an external water pump, external oil pump, no alt etc. In 72 the industry changed to more realistic testing using net hp with the engine turning it's own water/oil pump, w/alt, fan etc. It's usually about 30-35% less than gross hp so if your dad really did have it dyno'd he should have gotten around 150hp reading.