best way to shorten whinch cable?

[KYJ10]

I have been looking into syntho, for the weight reduction, and the bling factor. But after thinking of all the crap I put my cable through, I really have reservations about the syntho. I talked to several guys who like it for most stuff, but when you have to run it over rocks, and wrap it around stuff, and like I do, pull logs and rocks and other people, I like the steel.

Anyway, I have 150', and I really have only spooled it totally out once, and that was pulling a log up the hill. After the first 50', it is spotless. So I figured maybe I could cut out the 50' that is old, and reattach the hook. Thus loosing the worn part, and loosing a little weight. The original has a steel crimped deal to connect the hook. Who or how could I recrimp after cutting? Dennis

[Merc69]

Special tools requiried to do it right. I would take it to the local rigging shop and they would cut and recrimp or other solid attachment. A poor choice would be to cut and use cable clamps.

Check around in your area. There should be some rigging, ship chandlry, industrial supply around. Remember a winch is a piece of life saving gear...no short cuts and no jurry rigging.

[rednek in a jeep]

look for any one that has loging equipment and sups. thies people do skider cabels and such all the time. hummmmmmm wander if i can fit a skider winch under the gw

[scotty]

just wondering whats wrong with the clamps? i dint realize that the clamps were a "shortcut" and used 3 of em on the 3/8 cable on my pto winch. i was under the impression that the clamps are fine as long as they are assembled correctly, with the saddle on the right part of the cable(tho i cant remeber how theyre spossed to go now [img]redface.gif[/img] )

only prollem i can think of is them loosening up over time? its easy enuff to retighten them now and then...

[Sambo]

scotty remember it this way "never saddle a dead horse!!!"
and if you use 3 of em i am sure they will hold...
we used to use em on our dead man lines for our tongs on the oil rigs!

[KYJ10]

I thought it was just go the opposite with the saddle part each time you add?

[Elliott]

Keep in mind that as you shorten the cable you are reducing the size of the spool which acts as a gear and in effect you also reduce the pulling capacity of your winch. Check the charts to see how much the capacity drops from the first layer to the second and third and you will see what I mean.

[ November 17, 2004, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: Elliott ]

[Tyler Hovelsrud]

Hmm. I always thought that the more cable you pulled out the more pulling power you had. It's like shifting to a lower gear every wrap you go lower in the spool...

Tyler

[tomd]

Couple bits from Billa Vistas Recovery Bible

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...pe%20clips.jpg

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...pe%20clips.jpg

Requirements and guidelines for wire rope clamps are as follows:
1. Clamps (also called clips) shall meet or exceed the requirements of Federal Specification FF-C-450, “Clamps, Wire Rope.”
2. Clamps shall be legibly and permanently marked with size and the manufacturer’s identifying mark.

Inspection criteria for wire rope clamps follow:
1. Before use, clamps shall be visually inspected for damage, corrosion, wear, and cracks.
2. Verify that the clamp components are marked properly.
3. Ensure that the assembled clamp contains the same size, type, and class parts.

[Elliott]

Originally posted by Tyler Hovelsrud:
Hmm. I always thought that the more cable you pulled out the more pulling power you had. It's like shifting to a lower gear every wrap you go lower in the spool...

Tyler

Do I have that entirely backwards?

[KYJ10]

Anyone know what size wire came with the older 8274's?

[KYJ10]

anyone know the diameter of rope from an older 8274?

[scotty]

id think it to be 5/16. i put 3/8 on my pto winch,wich is bigger than most winches run.

elliot,yes you have it backwards. more cable that is on the drum,more power it sucks up. most winches are rated with one layer on the drum,so the more cable is on the weaker it is. it will prolly actually help him to shorten the cable,as less layers will be present [img]smile.gif[/img]

[KYJ10]

well I could find only one place that would do a real heat crimp, and they are in cinci. So I may call a few tree places, if they can't do it right, I may just go with some blue syntho from rockstomper. I may just keep my old cable, and put it on when I using the winch for non wheeling type stuff. People on pirate seem to really like the blue syntho. Dennis

[JEEPPICKUPMAN2]

Originally posted by KYJ10:
anyone know the diameter of rope from an older 8274?

Yea, scottys right it's 5/16 on the stock cable.

By the way if you've got an 8274 you might won't to check this out.

Warn 8274 rebuild

[scotty]

dennis,syntho is cool for bling,but sounds like a PITA to keep swapping your cable out. id just use 3 or 4 cable clamps and not worry about it. there was no stopping my PTO winch. either you were becoming unstuck,or it was going to tear you in half we bent a brand new tuff country leaf spring into a S shape with it

i never had a bit of prollem with my cable clamps,and they never moved [img]smile.gif[/img]

[BIGYELLOW78J10]

Never saddle a dead horse, as above. Put the saddle on the live side, which is the side running to the winch. The steel u pinches the cable on the dead end when tighted, and deforms the cable, potentially weaking it at a point, however, the theory is it is better to weaken the dead end at several points - (3) minimum where life safety is involved that to weaken the live end at all.

See if this link to www.thecrosbygroup.com will work for you: http://www.thecrosbygroup.com/crosby..._450_Ubolt.pdf

The clips bought at home depot typically don't have the ratings listed. See if you shop at Grainger with a business to business account, or perhaps northern tool can get you some rated clips.

Additionally, the wire rope is weakened when made into a loop.

Good luck with it.

Daniel