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Old 04-24-2013, 06:05 PM
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dry starts and lifter noise

its been about 1000 miles since my cam swap and it had a really light lifter tick since i put it in which from what i have read is pretty normal. recently it has seemed to get a little louder. not by much and its still not even noticeable in the car when driving (unless the windows are down and im driving next to something for the sound to bounce off of) also recently its been dry starting if it sits for more than 6 or so hours. in the morning itll take about 3 or so seconds before the valve noise goes away. thoughts?
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:50 PM
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What weight oil are you running and what kind of filter?
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:30 PM
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Rosella 15 40 with Lucas additive. napa gold filter.
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:02 AM
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Same exact thing with mine. Don't know if it's the oil or the lifter. Again we have the same motor.
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:14 AM
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How long yours been doing it?
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:12 AM
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Mine did that and I stole the pre/post oiler off my turbodiesel. Expensive solution, but that engine will live longer.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:43 AM
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Exclamation Mine too!

Stock 360 running Mobil 1, 10-40, and mobil 1 filter. Its always done it, worse in cold, but just momentarily after start, until pressure climbs a bit. Is that Back-flow? I can change filters next change. I was going to Mobil 1 5-30 next Oil change, Probably in the fall.





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Old 04-25-2013, 08:19 AM
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IM gonna start running Valvoline vr1 50 w. Well see. The dry starts started when I noticed the lifter noise so that's why IM worried
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:32 AM
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Running that thick oil isn't going to help your issue any. Even where you live its still gotta get flowing. Try a different filter and a thinner oil like a 10w30.
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They changed the filter sometime around 1987 from the Napa #1258 to the 1085. The 1258 sucks, the 1085 is good, and no, they are not interchangable.

If you use the early style filter, use a Baldwin B9, B39, Purolator L30005, or ACDelco PF24. Baldwins are hard to find, Purolators come from Pep Boys, and the AC from O'Reilly's. You usually have to ask at the counter for those filters.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:48 AM
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My oil pressure is great. 30 at idle 60 cruising.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:06 AM
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My filter is a napa 1626
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:13 AM
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I have found that the current lifters available all are loud, IIRC correctly the oil inlet hole in them is higher than stock AMC - the current ones are a universal.
I have never had a engine with replacement lifters not have lifter rattle.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:15 AM
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I guess that's comforting... It really isn't bad it's just there and I feel like it shouldn't be
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:25 AM
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I hate it, my rebuilt 401 and it is all clicky...
I thought someone had lifters made correctly (maybe bull tear?) but they are pricey.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:30 AM
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IM gonna go to roller rockers. I guess for now I'll just deal with it.
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:32 AM
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Clackety clack clack

I don't have this issue currently with two AMC 8's I'm running. I imagine there are a lot of others that don't as well but since it's no issue for them they just don't chime in???? I think the most important thing is to determine that it is a lifter for certain! It definately takes two people and a lot of cold starts!
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:51 AM
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Cold start noise is oil starvation/excessive clearances.
Thicker oil is only going to make it WORSE.
Vr1 50w is racing oil, and not really suited for a daily driven street engine.

Stick with lower weight quality oil like 10w-30.

I used to run 15w-40 for a time in my '88, one of the reasons I stopped was the cold start rattle it caused.
Went back to 10w-30 no more noises.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:57 PM
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They changed the filter sometime around 1987 from the Napa #1258 to the 1085. The 1258 sucks, the 1085 is good, and no, they are not interchangable.

If you use the early style filter, use a Baldwin B9, B39, Purolator L30005, or ACDelco PF24. Baldwins are hard to find, Purolators come from Pep Boys, and the AC from O'Reilly's. You usually have to ask at the counter for those filters.

What's up with this? My napa filter is a 1626?
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What's up with this? My napa filter is a 1626?

You have the correct filter, he is stuck in the 70's.
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