How tall is too tall?

[ScottsMojo]

Originally Posted by MonsterZ

I think I saw someone said something about building air suspension seats? I would be really interested in seeing, or at least discussing, how you are doing this? This seems like it would be an awesome mod but I have no clue where to even start looking for info as a starting point.

We use air sprung seats exclusively in the vehicles we build. The link below although a parts diagram shows the inner workings of the seat base and might help you better understand the concept.

http://www.recaro.com/uploads/media/...Parts_List.pdf

[Metal Twister]

Thanks Eric for putting the time and effort into the Photoshop lift here. It always amazes me what you can do with a computer!

[men in black]

Here's the Photoshopped version with a few extras

[Metal Twister]

Thanks Eric for putting the time and effort into the Photoshop lift here. It always amazes me what you can do with a computer! I wanted to get these pics up for you guys to check out. Eric did a great job adding another 4 inches on this and it really gives me a gimps into the future if I decide to go bigger. I should of given him a pic with out the fence line in the back ground. It makes the rig look the same height in both pic's. Im liking it and already getting use to the idea. Its really hard to get a feel for the height with nothing to compare to. Well whatcha think, Yea or Nea? Pro's or Con's?
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[Rockwell_B1]

Looks good, I say go for it.

Had to stare at it for a minute because that background sure does play tricks. If I had my comp I'd change the background for ya with a blank shot in my field where I always take pics of my cars, but I'm going to be out of town for a few days and only took the iPad.

[Metal Twister]

Yeah the more I look at it it looks in proportion. It really doesn't look much different to me but guessing the pooch might need a ramp now that she is starting to slow down. Maybe a fold down ramp off the tailgate or something. Heck I might need the ramp! Thanks again Eric, great work.

[ElkyRacer]

Originally Posted by 44BZ

This is the only profile shot I have. I'd like to get some lift springs on there, but not in the cards yet. No rubbing though

Perfection. Proportions are just right! No need to make it sky high. Just enough to clear the tires at full stuff. Makes for a better driving stable rig.

[Metal Twister]

Originally Posted by Stuka

The 10 bolts have those little nubs hanging off the bottom from the casting process. Dead give away

But as far as I know 77's came with 12 bolt rears from the factory. So my guess is the 12 bolt blew up, and the grabbed a 10 bolt from the junk yard. The 12 bolt is only marginally stronger than a 10 bolt. So it would not be a huge upgrade.

Is the gears are stock they are most likely 3.55's. Which would make that thing REALLY slow. If it was driving around with 38's, it has to have been regeared. But hey, maybe they just drove around in low range :P

Pulled off the rear diff cover and found 2.73 gears in it. OMG... Now im wondering if the front d44 even matches.

[REDONE]

Originally Posted by Metal Twister

Pulled off the rear diff cover and found 2.73 gears in it. OMG... Now im wondering if the front d44 even matches.

Double check that! 87-92 V10 burbs came with 3.73 gears out of the box all across the board. R10s still came with 3.31s and V20s had 4.10s with steeper gears available.

[Metal Twister]

So this weekend I threw the 38's on without the additional lift. It will be ok to drive around town on but its not wheel-able. I think the additional 4 inches in the lift will be required to actually use the 4x4.

[manimal]

Man that thing looks swweet!

[Metal Twister]

Yeah its growing on me as well... Literally! Thinking I will loose two spring out of the front pack and see if that is too stiff for wheeling or not. Plus it will level out the ride stance. Right now the Burb is nose high and I really dont want that on the FSJ.

[Stuka]

Originally Posted by Metal Twister

Pulled off the rear diff cover and found 2.73 gears in it. OMG... Now im wondering if the front d44 even matches.

Sounds like the axle is out of a Blazer or C10/K10 truck. They were both available with 2.73 gears. Just dont shift the 'burb into 4wd while flying down the freeway :P

[ElkyRacer]

Originally Posted by Metal Twister

So this weekend I threw the 38's on without the additional lift. It will be ok to drive around town on but its not wheel-able. I think the additional 4 inches in the lift will be required to actually use the 4x4.

Bumpstop/trim it more and run it as it is. Another 4 inches and that things going to be way tippy. Low and stable is where its at!

[Metal Twister]

Well I had the lift springs so I had to at least see what it would look like fully lifted... 38'" Swampers and a 10 inch lift.

[brushawg]

38" swampers and a 10" lift now you need bigger tires

[44BZ]

Yes, bigger tires! That thing looks awesome How does it drive?

[bORGEL]

Here in Iceland we are used to lifting our vehicles (mine is stock, as I like it that way) but as we drive them on top of the snow we need the bigger tires. 38" and 44" tires are quite normal and the most popular tire sizes. 38" is best if the car can "float" on them as they are the biggest radial tires and thus have the best drivability.

There are few Wagoneers that have been lifted in Iceland and most end on 44" as the 38" are too small for floating on the snow. Here is a link on one of the 44" Wagoneers http://public.fotki.com/runarsig/nesjarvallarfer/

Here the goal is to keep them as low as possible as they are othervise too prone to roll.

Palli

[Southern Gorilla]

Originally Posted by bORGEL

Here in Iceland we are used to lifting our vehicles (mine is stock, as I like it that way) but as we drive them on top of the snow we need the bigger tires. 38" and 44" tires are quite normal and the most popular tire sizes. 38" is best if the car can "float" on them as they are the biggest radial tires and thus have the best drivability.

There are few Wagoneers that have been lifted in Iceland and most end on 44" as the 38" are too small for floating on the snow. Here is a link on one of the 44" Wagoneers http://public.fotki.com/runarsig/nesjarvallarfer/

Here the goal is to keep them as low as possible as they are othervise too prone to roll.

Palli

I have been a fan of the Icelandic trucks for as long as I can remember. That is the way a 4x4 should be built; low, wide, stable. That Wagoneer is nearly perfect. But I would be interested in seeing how much suspension travel it has. Those trucks seem to be set up very stiff. I plan to run similar tires, but I need sufficient suspension travel for trails. We don't get much snow here in Texas.

[Metal Twister]

The thing drives OK except the drive shaft needs to be lengthened. It is stupid tall! 68 inches from the peak of the hood to the ground. I'm going to loose 2 leafs from the front to loosen it up a bit and bring the front height down level with the back.

I lived in Keflavik Iceland for a few years and had the opportunity to experience these rigs first hand. Very impressive and very capable rigs. Its interesting to see how vehicles evolve for different terrains. Desert, Mud, Rocks, Snow all have their unique requirements.