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Old 08-08-2011, 12:13 AM
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Modified $40 1.5" lift S.F. (Pics fixeed)

My original shackle buckets where questionable for something that will be abused, so complete replacement was in order. They where also limiting my droop as the shackle would bottom out on the front lip of the bucket before the spring stopped droping.

However there are two things I dont care for with the "normal" SF.

1- I only needed ~1.5-2" out of it.
2- I never cared for the shackles hanging way down below the frame out back, call me pickey.

After looking around and not finding what I wanted, I decided to do my own version of a shackle flip.

So a trip to the parts store for a set of 1998 Ford ranger rear spring hangers (see post 22 for part #), and $40 later I had the only parts I didnt have laying around. These buckets are about one thick washer wider where the shackle goes, so you will need to find a large thick washer to take up the gap if you keep the stock shackles. Mine seemed to line up best with them on the inside.

On to labor, get the grinder out (dont have a plasma yet) with a cut off wheel. Drill and a few sizes of bits leading up to 3/8. BFH pry bar and a few wrenches.
Take the spring and shackle out of the old bucket, good luck by the way. This was the most "work" involved in doing mine. Finally gave up that set of shackles as they are a permenent part of the buckets now. Luckily I had a spare set.

Cut hammer pry cut bang curse bleed whatever you got to do, but git rid of those stock bucket and clean the area up. Now would also be a good time to inspect the frame. I found mine a bit weak on the bottom of both sides, and will patch them later.

Next was VERY CAREFULLY lay out where the new bucket needs to go. I am not going to give measurements because my setup is a little different and my measurements probably wouldnt work for stock springs. I moved mine forward some, and almost got them to far. I knew I wanted the shackles pointing back at the bottom a bit more than most would consider right. I dont have a whole lot of stuff, and the springs also are not really high arched, so there is not near as much movement that way on mine. With stock springs or different tire/axle combos that may be different. I did however need a lot more room for the shackle to come forward at the bottom for droop. That is why I decided on the shackle angle I went with, though it went back a few degrees more than I planned under its own weight.
I did compress the suspension and it will hit the bump stop well before it runs out of room for the shackle to swing.

After you are sure about your marks, drill, bolt with the supplied bolts, and put the shackle and spring back together in the "new" position and you have it.

The stock shackle is ~3" eye to eye. My SF puts the eyes basicaly opposite where they are stock instead of flipping it around the "frame" eye. We all know a shackle lift gets you half the overall movement of the spring eye so 1.5" give or take, as you can mount the buckets up or down on the frame 1/2" or better.

So a crusty before
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/a...ostest0005.jpg

and after
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:01 AM
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join,upload them, and cut and paste the IMG code over here. That easy.
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:23 PM
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Are those shackles and the mount strong enough for a Gwag? they dont look nearly as beefy as the stock ones. I like the Idea and I am now seriously thinking about doing this soon. I just want to make sure that it will hold up on the trail.
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Old 08-08-2011, 11:02 PM
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Did the photobucket thing, I just prefer having them IN the post. Sometimes it works for me, most of the time not.

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Are those shackles and the mount strong enough for a Gwag? they dont look nearly as beefy as the stock ones.

I looked at using ones for a F250, they are almost identical except wider where the shackle mounts at. Having one in hand they are pretty solid. The bends and such really make a difference, where our stock ones are mostly flat steel. The shackles are stock Wag.

I worry more about pulling the bolts through the frame. Once I get it out to the farm I plan on welding them on and adding a "backer plate" on the inside of the frame. I may add a little bracing as well (or may just try as is and see), but I dont think they will be a problem.
I have a plasma cutter coming in the near future so it shouldn't be to bad to make a cardboard template and then trace it on some 3/16 plate to reinforce about a 2' section there.

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Old 08-09-2011, 06:43 AM
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after I posted last night I did some looking into the 80-98 f150-f350 hangers. I found them online for $22 a piece. they are designed to work with 3'' leaf springs and if they can hold an 80s f350 i know the Wag will be good to go. thanks for such a great affordable idea. Im thinking about setting it up like you explained, I only need/want 1.5'' out of the s/f but the real gain will be in spring droop gained by maxamizing the action of the shackle. I was also thinking about pairing the BJs 1'' shackle in the front to help keep the truck level and add some much needed flex to the front end. after this im goint to be looking for 33s
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:24 AM
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Did the shackle flip cause you to bend your leaf spring? or is that from the old shackle bucket?
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Old 08-09-2011, 09:54 AM
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:15 PM
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Its not bent, just a different spring all together.

The first pic was before I did anything, then I swapped in 97-03 F150 springs (4-5" lift) thinking it would be enough. Originally I planned on going SOA up front and bringing it back down 2-3" with different springs to keep COG low.

After I swapped the D60 in SOA on factory springs flipped (end for end) to move it forward 2" I liked where it sits, and it needs the extra room to flex. And HELLO FLEX it does.
I used one of my big billy bad ... ratchet straps to suck one side down, then jacked the other side till it was almost off the ground. When I measured to get a rough est. for shocks I found I may need limiting straps. Over 14" if it flexes that much on the trail. Longer travel shocks get $$$$ real fast.

Back on topic, after that I knew I needed to do something with the rear buckets cause they limit flex, and I needed more lift without blocks.

This was my solution.

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Old 09-29-2011, 09:46 AM
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When you did the SF on the rear of the rear spring, did you lower the front mount(of the rear spring) also?
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Old 09-29-2011, 10:18 AM
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When you did the SF on the rear of the rear spring, did you lower the front mount(of the rear spring) also?
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I dont see the need to move the front mount down unless you want more lift. And if you want more lift then get a shackle flip kit from BJs. The whole point of this shackle flip is that it provide no more than 1.5-3'' of lift, and you get ALOT more droop (compared to stock) during articulation. Not to mention its hard to beat the price!
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Old 09-29-2011, 11:34 AM
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I dont see the need to move the front mount down unless you want more lift. And if you want more lift then get a shackle flip kit from BJs. The whole point of this shackle flip is that it provide no more than 1.5-3'' of lift, and you get ALOT more droop (compared to stock) during articulation. Not to mention its hard to beat the price!

Yep, what he said. I left the front hangers alone.
Only needed 2~3" more, and a fix for the OEM set-up binding. I also wanted to keep the shackles from hanging down below the frame very far.

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Old 09-29-2011, 04:04 PM
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blazer3664 this was a great idea! this is a great mod for guys like me who want to keep the stock axle set up but maximize flex. I made my mind up a long time ago i wouldn't go SOA without upgrading the axles. This Shacke flip is going to allow me to flip the rear shackle and gain all the benefits of flex without all the extra lift that I don't need. Thanks for the GREAT idea
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Old 09-30-2011, 07:06 AM
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This Shacke flip is going to allow me to flip the rear shackle and gain all the benefits of flex without all the extra lift that I don't need. Thanks for the GREAT idea

My idea was inspired by another member here who used them for a stockish replacement. I shared my idea in hopes of providing a solution, or inspiration, for others here. I know I have "borrowed" a lot from other members, so I need to do my part "loaning"as well.

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Old 09-30-2011, 08:41 AM
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Blazer I am very interested in seeing more about this SF, so wondering if the other members who you borrowed the idea from have any posts about their swaps.

Like yourself I am not interested in the lift that is associated with shackle flips, I am just looking to replace the old boxes and get a little more flex at the same time. As you mentioned the extra lift in the back can be offset by a set of 1" shackles from BJs so you have me very interested.

I would love to hear how they work for you, and any further comments you have regarding this swap, and any other posts along the same line.

Thanks in advance
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Old 09-30-2011, 09:52 AM
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Here is where I got the idea, post 12
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=140547

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I would love to hear how they work for you, and any further comments you have regarding this swap, and any other posts along the same line.

I am still a 205, doubler kit, and a couple H.A.D. drive shafts short of driving my rig yet.

I have flexed it in the driveway with a BIG ratchet strap and a highlift jack to see how it does. Much better than the questionable stock set-up. No binding of the shackles at all, just have to make sure the bolt in the spring end of the shackle don't stick out much at all. if it does it can catch on the bucket. I may turn mine around later, so the head of the bolt is toward the frame. The bad side, on mine anyway, I wont be able to put that bolt in or take it out unless the shackle is un-bolted from the bucket first, there isn't enough room.

When I get things finished up I will update this thread with my (hind sight) thoughts on this mod/fix. May be a while though, I am not getting any overtime anymore, and may be looking at some reduced hours over the winter.

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Look forward to updates WHENEVER you are able to give them! Thanks again.
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Has anyone else tried this yet? I just found out that I need to run 2" blocks with my lift and this would be a nice alternative.
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Has anyone else tried this yet? I just found out that I need to run 2" blocks with my lift and this would be a nice alternative.


this is a far better option than blocks! Go for it
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:46 PM
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My trans is going to my guy next week. Once it gets back and my adapter I just ordered gets here, I got to get all the little stuff buttoned up and make a temp rear shaft.

Then.................. I get to take it to the farm and flex it some. When that happens I will get some pics, LOTS of pics.

I hope to have it out there by the end of April to flex it and get measurements for some shocks.

Still a long way to go, but its getting there.............. slowly.

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this is a far better option than blocks!

If you wheel it, keep in mind, they will add to any axle wrap.

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If you wheel it, keep in mind, they will add to any axle wrap.

Jim


What is the lesser of the two evils then? Blocks or this shackle flip?


EDIT: I see you were referring to the blocks and NOT the shackle flip...
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