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Old 09-17-2010, 12:23 PM
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3rdElements 1985 GrandWagoneer Build VERSION 2.0(starts page 5) *UPDATED TONIGHT

Seems like my pics stopped working...AGAIN.
so here is the album of my work
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.474259167217.255385.573337217&type=1&l=ecbb a31d41

Completed:
1.) replace lifters and pushrods
2.) valve seals
3.) carb rebuild
4.) vac line sorting
5.) fuel tank fill lines replaced
6.) ammeter replaced with voltmeter
7.) stereo install
8.) door speaker install
9.) painted exhaust with vht
10.) edelbrock 4bl intake
11.) edelbrock 1406 4bl carb
12.) jet carb for high altitude
13.) charcoal canister replacement with new version
14.) replace old "Track" style window motors with worm drive from 90-91 version
15.) rear wipe replaced
16.) installed hella ecode housings
17.) installed bixenon 5000k lamps
18.) installed bjs offroad aluminum coolant tank
19.) transmission fill tube oring
20.) replaced dipstick x2(gotta do it again still)
21.) chrome valve covers
22.) thermostat housing (cast iron, from bjs)
23.) new polished knobs from : http://www.themetalworkshop.com/index.html
24.) replaced rear view mirror
25.) replaced pignose with final edition grill
26.) rattle can flat black
27.) add rubber front bumpers
28.) metal headlight adjusters JABER
29.) cs144 install with mdill bracket
30.) moved electric fuel pump from dangling next to drivers side exhaust manifold to under rear cargo area
31.) installed hood cowl seal
32.) refinished hood cowl body work
33.) installed new fuel elbow to edelbrock carb
34.) installed new parking light assembly and lense (3/23/2012)
35.) built custom box for rear speakers, installed (4/12/12)
36.) replaced transmission filter and gasket (10/15/12)
36.) removed old carpet(11/24/12)
37.) clean out kick panel vents
38.) install the new hood pull cable
39.) install abs black kick panels
40.) install hood pull cable
41.) rewired voltmeter to be switched 12v
42.) installed plastic bj's glovebox

To be Completed:
rear main seal
all 4 door windows wipes replaced
recover subwoofer box in black
wire and install kenwood amp for subwoofers
replace dif fluids(reseal the leaking covers)
replace sway bar bushings with polyurythane version
replace end links with new poly also
4" lift with new shocks and stainless steel brake lines
door lock springs
hood insulation
replace all 4 sidemarkers and chrome housings
install black dodge durango seats
j10 steering box or s10 not sure which one yet
install new mirror door controller switch
refinish hitch and apply new load sticker
clean out heater box
install tachometer
paint dash black
recover dash pad with black
figure out wiring on temp gauge.
find replacement steering column
install power steering pump and hoses





Ok, so i bought my 85 GW back in march, and thanks to 2 moves and a second job. I finally have time to work on it. Using my dads experience with v8's and my elbow grease we are tackling this beast. I purchased it for $450 from the 2nd owner of the jeep. and it was literally on its way to the junk yard. another one saved!
Drove it from Ft. Collins colorado to Colorado Springs. 132 miles. the previous owner did a full service on the truck after we exchanged money. He truely loved this fsj. The truck smoked bad once it was warm and ticked like a psycho watch, but i was up for the challenge. and would do 65-70 on straight highway. hills gave it trouble. but it made the journey. after a few weeks, i moved up to castle rock, and yep...it made the trip successfully.





ok now to the carnage. We removed the fan shroud, and radiator. the fan came next as did the alternator and the washer and radiator fluid reservoir. the compressor and all the lines to the vac canister came off as well. we marked all the lines so we know where they came from. But have a chiltons manual because i know some of these were installed wrong. Removed the valve covers, and then the intake*with carb still on it. and below the intake we found carnage. the entire passenger side of pushrods were bent, except for the one that was laying broken in the middle directly above the cam, but still on top of the block. (i'll insert a pic here whens its done uploading). also found a blown lifter and another almost broken pushrod.



All on the passenger side of the engine. The drivers side was pristine. here are the push rods from both sides.



My dad made the comment that it looks like the lifter loaded up and just didnt unload and failed. also noticed there wasnt a spec of dust or debris in the engine
its like its recently been rebuilt. Removed the exhaust manifolds. Not a single bolt has given us any problems. this is probably from the fact we hit every bolt with an orange can of "creep" before we started this build. We also removed the heads. broke a small set of vac lines that were mounted to the back of the drivers side head.



Im not sure what we will do to fix this....any ideas?
we could clearly see where the smoke was coming from. The valve set that was linked to the broken pushrods was caked in oil and carbon from not opening, but the top of the heads is again, pristine.



I can see a couple of the valve seals that need to be replaced. But i bought a full gasket set from bj's and that will be taken care of. also in the next couple days i will be replacing the freeze plugs. I did notice that there was black paint covering the heads including the freeze plugs. So i really am suspecting a PO rebuild. you can also see the pattern in the cylinder walls.

I did get bored however and prepped and painted the exhaust manifolds with VHT for exhausts. wow, what a difference.



Next is going to be compressing the valve springs, and removing the guilds. then cleaning the valve stems. some are dirty, but that one is just caked. probably 1.5" of crud all the way around. i have a bench grinder with a wire brush wheel on it. i figured that would work pretty well, but im open to ideas.

Once reassembled, I also need to fix the o ring on the tranny, its leaking badly and i have jeep blood being caught by a shower curtain right now. (its ghetto, but keep the new garage concrete nice and dry.



Also need to move the PO's electric fuel pump, and place it back by the tank. you can see it here, right in front of the brake master cylinder



at the same time i have a new set of filler tubes, and a new sending unit for the tank.

Also have a new charcoal canister to retrofit into the vehicle, its the one mentioned in the tech article on this site.

so thats how far ive gotten so far. 9/17/2010 to be updated asap.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:35 PM
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Good show. Anybody can throw money at an engine in a rebuild, but it takes knowledge and judgment to fix it both good and cheap.
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Old 09-17-2010, 12:54 PM
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Odd that one side was totally trashed. Head issues on that side? <shrug>
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Old 09-17-2010, 01:07 PM
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When my engine bent push rods like that, my cam was wiped out and so were the bottoms of the lifters.

What do the bottom of you lifters look like?
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Old 09-17-2010, 01:09 PM
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we rotated the engine to see all of the cam surfaces. they looked fantastic. i was really surprised to see it with no wear or nicks in the surface. the lifter bottoms i will check again, but again didnt see really any signs of wear.
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Old 09-17-2010, 01:11 PM
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heres what it looked like when intake was removed.


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Old 09-17-2010, 03:15 PM
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Huh. the most common cause of a bent pushrod is over-revving. Maybe a stuck throttle or such. But it's hard to understand why you'd have multiple bent pushrods on one bank.


Sometimes there's just not enough evidence remaining to reconstruct what happened. You may have to put it back together and trust that you did not overlook anything.
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Old 09-17-2010, 03:17 PM
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yeah. all we can do is make sure everything is in good shape, replace the broken pieces, and pray to the jeep gods. hey, if it breaks again, i'll do a full rebuild. just dont have the time right now. less than a month and a half before we get into snow season around here.
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did you happen to check the cooling system before you took it apart ?
might have suck some coolant from a cracked intake or bad head. that would bend multiple pushrods like that.
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Old 09-17-2010, 06:40 PM
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may also have been due to over zealous tightening of the rockers on one side - done that maybe a buddy and the PO were reassembling it together and buddy was all muscle...

This time around re-assemble with a little clearance

Once you replace pushrods - trivial - put the heads on and do a compression check on all 8 and particularly those 4. If that checks out bolt it up and run the crap out of it

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Old 09-18-2010, 01:25 AM
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the coolant system was nice and green, no oil deposits or anything.
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:35 AM
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Cool update!

ok so ive put in some serious elbow grease to get these heads cleaned and ready for reinstall. took lots of time but i think it was worth it. i used scrappers, wire brushes, drill attachments. a can of amc blue paint, clear coat engine enamel. here are the pics.
removed all of the guts of the heads, springs, valves, rocker arms ect. kept them all in order for reinstall, were amazed at how little residue was actually inside the heads.


the head gaskets were sealed well to these heads. took lots of work to get it back to a good surface again:



intake side was also fairly gunked up



a few hours work:



degreased the inside



cleaned head vs untouched (yet)



old paint and freeze plugs removed



gasket surfaces polished up nicely



time to start on head #2



hours later all done with it also





made a run to the store for new pushrods and a couple lifters.



where ive been working from this entire time



all inspected and in phenomenal shape.







degreased some, just made it look new again.



was bored with the camera.



time to tape the gasket surfaces and get setup for paint





unmasked and very happy with results. these are dry btw. not a bad finish





test fitting refurbed valve cover



my buddy draco lending some moral support.



current status:



Tomorrow: picking up freeze plugs , and reinstalling valves, springs, and new seals. prepping the block. installing head gasket and then reassembly. dont worry i'll keep ya posted
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Old 09-23-2010, 06:32 AM
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While the heads are off, heres some light reading for a little more performance out of them...

SOMENDER-SINGH.com - Grooves 101

Somender SINGH: Squish Zone Grooves: 20%+ improved performance of IC Engines -- 3 articles & US Patent

I did this on the wifes. Runs awesomely....
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Very admirable.

Just an aside ... a dip in the hot tank at a local shop should be fairly cheap, and would save a lot of time and effort. But it would not be the rock-bottom cheapest way to go, as this was.

I like this thread. Lots of pictures...
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Nice job wish I had the time to do anything like this maybe when I get back to the states.
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Looks good so far, nice job! It's making me want to learn how to rebuild something...maybe when my lady friend gets her new house I'll borrow some garage space with a motor on a stand....hmm....
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Looking good!
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:12 PM
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update:

- installed freeze plugs(after having to search a rediculous number of autoparts stores.
- installed all valves and springs. im very happy with the improvement in their seating just by cleaning them up and installing new valve seats(or seals)
- touched up some paint that was damaged thanks to installing freeze plugs.
- took the 2 valve covers i got and removed all the old paint and lots of rust. got them back to clean metal.










- chased all the threads in the block and heads.
- cleaned all the bolts that had been removed off the truck during tear down.
- the fan shroud has always been split in half. So i used some jb weld and pieced it back together, hit it with a coat of fusion by krylon satin black finish.

- used a wire brush attachment on the york compressor. taped off the hard lines, and painted the body and pully with a rust and high temp gloss black


- also brushed the power steering pump back to shiny metal from the flaking paint and rust that it had previously.

- also took all accessory brackets and polished those back to silver. the one that holds the top of the Ac compressor, i painted with high temp black to match the compressor. did the same to the water pump.
- when i bought the jeep. the drivers side front side marker was missing, all there was, was the hole. so after all the dirty work i had completed this week i went searching for the missing wiring down in the fender. Was able to locate it under the old wasp nest(literally) and pull it back up and through the hole. it had the base of a broken bulb inside. so i took a few minutes and got it all cleaned and out. installed the side marker(the PO had given me a box of junkyard parts....it was among them). it was something little and most wont notice it. but i look forward to finishing all this engine work, to get this little sidemarker working.



removed the transmission fill tube to replace the o ring. NAPA part number: ATP13901

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Old 09-29-2010, 07:31 PM
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purchased upper and lower radiator hoses, also a full set of champion spark plugs, when i do the tfi upgrade i'll gape them to .44

install goal for tomorrow is the tranny fill tube with new o ring.
also the passenger side head
both exhaust manifolds
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