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Old 07-03-2010, 03:43 PM
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69 Gladiator - before and after lift & axle swap

Just rolled the truck out of the shop today so I could stand back and see it. I swapped the stock axles out and threw in a HD44 up front and a 14 bolt with disc conversion out back. Springs are 6" Deaver and I also installed a cross over/high steer set-up on the front end. I have the hydroboost left to do and drivelines and then it will be back in my DD line-up.

Just thought I would share.

Before - this is just when I bought it - stock with 32 tires:



This is after lift and axles:












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Old 07-03-2010, 03:49 PM
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Here are some shots of the high-steer, rear discs, pinion guard, etc.



Thanks to partsmike for the 2" over high steer arms - never would have made it over the springs with out it.





Rear discs - I had to block the rear up 2" because of sag - not sure where that all went wrong. The front is still a little high but I am putting an M15000 Warn winch on the front @140 Lbs and beefing up the front end to make it pull. I figure between all that and the motor working those springs a little more the front will settle over time.



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I will keep this thread going as I got through hydroboost, drivelines and shocks. I also have a 4bbl intake and quadrajet to throw on as well as headers and complete exhaust. All this is sitting in the shop waiting for me but finding time with a 2 & 3 year old is difficult

I can't wait to run the snot out of this thing
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Old 07-03-2010, 07:16 PM
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That is looking awesome.
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Old 07-03-2010, 07:22 PM
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Old 07-03-2010, 07:26 PM
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Nice work! That looks great! And I love that color!
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Old 07-03-2010, 07:33 PM
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lookin good!
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Old 07-03-2010, 07:35 PM
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looks good. thoes spring packs are huge that is going to be a rough ride.
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Old 07-03-2010, 07:46 PM
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Looks great!
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Thats one sweet ride
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Old 07-03-2010, 09:11 PM
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Great lookin' build! Subscribed.
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Old 07-03-2010, 09:12 PM
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Nice to see some old school deep lug tires and that color is perfect for OR!
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Old 07-03-2010, 09:13 PM
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Few questions:
does the the steering rod hit the springs at all when the pass side is dropped down? Looks like almost no clearance sitting flat.

how close are the tires to the spring pack?!
I have a 14bolt from a van and measured the snot out of it and couldn't see how it'd clear stock outboard springs in the back without running skinny tires or doing a spring under frame conversion.

truck looks awesome!!!
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Old 07-03-2010, 09:23 PM
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The truck looks great im subscribed as well
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Old 07-03-2010, 09:33 PM
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how close are the tires to the spring pack?!
I have a 14bolt from a van and measured the snot out of it and couldn't see how it'd clear stock outboard springs in the back without running skinny tires or doing a spring under frame conversion.

When I did mine I only had to inboard 3/4" on each side to clear the drum backing plates and that was just due to the spring plates on top of the spring. With disc/calipers you can see he clears all well.
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Old 07-03-2010, 11:57 PM
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Thanks for all the good comments - I sat in the back yard for about two hours this afternoon drinking a few beers and just looking at it. I felt like a little kid.

There are certainly some things to be sorted out.

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looks good. thoes spring packs are huge that is going to be a rough ride.

I had no idea these were the springs I was getting. They were designed custom by a shop that does many, many aftermarket race springs. Theoretically (which is why I ordered through them) they should ride well and I have it from a member here that they articulate OK as well. We shall see. As soon as brakes and drivelines are in I will take it to work and do the old forklift test with them.

The driver's side is sagging quite a bit as well and I have no idea why. The truck was hit on the driver's side 100 years ago and I am wondering if the frame was affected. I will have to do some measurements and see. I also need to see if the body is simply installed crooked on the frame - like the spacers are different from side to side. it's been on my lift so long today was the first time I found it. It did sag before the spring change and I had assumed that it was normal jeep sag - maybe not.

gambler, Steering doesn't hit at full droop. I will make some measurements tomorrow and let you know what I have for space. Your van 14B is 2.5" wider than a truck (mine) 14B. If you are running wide meats you may have trouble. These are 10.5" wide on 7" wheels. I would guess that since the wheels I am running are factory Ford they have a really shallow offset. I am more concerned about steering up front. I am hoping that I am not going to have to pull the front end and lay the springs under the frame in order to get a turning radius that won't drive me nuts...again, we shall see.
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:02 AM
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Ahh yeah the skinny tires and shallow offset saved ya. I'm doing all my planning around 38x15.50 super swampers.

Good luck on the front! You should be able to find the sag by measuring down to a level floor from frame corners, then from body points. Should be obvious quick where the problem is. Great build!

ps..I sit in mine and go vroom vroom too
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:05 AM
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ps..could you share exactly what you ordered from Parts Mike on that steering setup (minus the 2" arm). I have a 74-75 GM HD44 I need to order one for as well, and would like to see how close it is to yours, and have an idea on the cost. Appreciate it if you can.

I see you havent done the front shocks either..when I was eyeballing it, it looks like taller shock mounts off the frame need to be made. Thought any on it yet?
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:08 AM
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ps..I sit in mine and go vroom vroom too
Thats the way to do it, thats what I did before i finally got mine running.
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:47 AM
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About tme you got that thing in rolling shape. Get the rest of it together so I can talk you into heading over to Tillamook to get a "shake down" run in!
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Old 07-04-2010, 11:06 AM
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Man thats lookin great. I dig that pinion guard. I think if you flip those shackles on the rear you can get those blocks outta there and get some of that pinion angle back.
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