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03-21-2010, 03:32 PM
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Project SOA in Pakistan - Help needed
Hello there
I have always wanted some bigger tires on my Cherokee.. Now I am getting down to (at least trying to ) doing it.. What will follow in this thread will be pictures and some explanation about what we are doing and what the progress is. We would need a lot of support and lots of knowlege and guidance from all the Gurus out there. The plan is as follows.. Time left is about 10 days till the upcoming Mud Rally in Lahore..
Spring Over Axel up front, Shakle reversal at the rear. Work on the stearing and brake lines after that. Traction bars if needed and drive shaft mods if needed. Loonger shocks as required (I hope I can find these). Tune up of engine. Battery boxes. Maybe a custom header plus a new high flow exhaust system. Some body work (just 'some'. Don't get excited guys. ). And a roof-top light bars with a couple of more lights.
I would need all the help regarding expertise from you all. I have seen a lot of builds here on IFSJA that have inspired me to go ahead with this now. I would appreciate all comments and suggestions on this.
Thank you
Ehsan
http://www.ijc.com.pk/forum/download/file.php?id=2449 |
03-21-2010, 03:33 PM
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03-21-2010, 03:39 PM
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This may sound stupid but what axle is that?
http://www.ijc.com.pk/forum/download/file.php?id=2440
Closed knuckle something with disc brakes?
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03-21-2010, 03:40 PM
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03-21-2010, 03:42 PM
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The front and rear
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03-21-2010, 03:44 PM
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The front gets a spring over and the rear a shakle reversal only. Will that be needing any traction bars?
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03-21-2010, 03:47 PM
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The brackets for the front SOA and the rear shackle reversal. These are 2/8" MS plates that were Oxy-Acetylene cut and bent on a press brake.
This is a 6/8" MS plate again oxy-acetylene cut that I plan to use for a set of custom headers for the Toyota 4 Cylender Deisel engine that runs the Cherokee. |
03-21-2010, 03:48 PM
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Till now we have been able to get the front diff out to do work on.  |
03-22-2010, 06:33 AM
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I love those rims!! Not the best for wheeling, but sure look cool! Need some good old steel rockcrawler rims man. Aluminium ones like to crack and break (steel bends as you know, aluminium doesn't)
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03-22-2010, 06:41 AM
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Looks like a Toyota Land Cruiser unit.
Perhaps I should pay better attention. duh
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03-24-2010, 03:48 PM
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Hey! someones messing with you, while you weren't looking they moved your steering box to the wrong side. 
I agree the steering geometry in the second photo is not good, Jeeps like about 6* positive Castor, as much as in the photo and the steering components, not to mention the handling will suffer dramatically.
How do you intend to address the drag link to spring clearance? Is there a crossover steering option for the Toyota axles? with the Danas there is a great deal of aftermarket support, but I am unfamiliar with the Toyo's.
As for the shocks, I always set-up the lift, put the truck on the ground under normal weight, then measure from mount to mount and choose the shock that gives me the most extension and compression. Sounds simple but you have to find a vendor that's willing to work with you instead of just looking up a number |
03-24-2010, 05:22 PM
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03-24-2010, 05:24 PM
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Thats as the Jeep stands. Lots of work to be done still.. |
03-24-2010, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by azpackrat
Hey! someones messing with you, while you weren't looking they moved your steering box to the wrong side.
I agree the steering geometry in the second photo is not good, Jeeps like about 6* positive Castor, as much as in the photo and the steering components, not to mention the handling will suffer dramatically.
How do you intend to address the drag link to spring clearance? Is there a crossover steering option for the Toyota axles? with the Danas there is a great deal of aftermarket support, but I am unfamiliar with the Toyo's.
As for the shocks, I always set-up the lift, put the truck on the ground under normal weight, then measure from mount to mount and choose the shock that gives me the most extension and compression. Sounds simple but you have to find a vendor that's willing to work with you instead of just looking up a number |
Thank you for the input. We dont get any aftermarket solutions to cater for steering geometry on SOAs here in Pakistan.. This is probably the first FSJ SOA in the country.  .
As for the caster.. I intend to cut and turn the differentials enough to get about 6 degrees of caster.. I got a spare diff housing to start working on in this regard.
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03-24-2010, 05:29 PM
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We are thinkning about de-arching the front spring packs. Would love to hear your thoughts about that. Is that a wise decision or will that reduce travel and increase axel wrap?
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03-24-2010, 07:00 PM
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Instead of changing the the arch, why not just remove some of the leaves? that would reduce the spring rate and should flatten them out some and it's much easier to return them to the original configuration if necessary.
You could also try to find some salvage springs from an OEM spring over, like a Chevy or Dodge and use your main leaf to build a new spring pack.
I can't imagine the difficulty you have modifying your Jeep in your part of the world, it's hard enough sometimes here in the states were they're still fairly common, I don't suppose Jeep's were ever very numerous in the near Eastern nations as compared to Rover's, Toyota's, etc. So if some of our suggestions sound a little impractical, you'll have to forgive us like the European and Pacific Jeepers do
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03-25-2010, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by azpackrat
I can't imagine the difficulty you have modifying your Jeep in your part of the world, it's hard enough sometimes here in the states were they're still fairly common, I don't suppose Jeep's were ever very numerous in the near Eastern nations as compared to Rover's, Toyota's, etc. So if some of our suggestions sound a little impractical, you'll have to forgive us like the European and Pacific Jeepers do
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For the record:
CJs and FSJs were very common in Pakistan during the late seventies / mid eighties as these were used by the United Nations missions, the Pakistan Army and also imported by a local company. After the mid seventies YJs and XJs never really caught on around here and both the Army and UN moved on to Toyotas 
60s and 70s Dodge trucks are also common as these were used by the Pakistan Army. Chevys are very rare around here, except probably used by US embassies etc and later auctioned. Nevertheless, finding any Jeep parts in half decent shape remains a tall order.... there is a market for smuggled parts from Iran in South Eastern Pakistan where Jeeps remain more in vogue than here, though that market is not very easy to tap for us here in Islamabad/Rawalpindi.
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