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Old 02-24-2010, 12:48 PM
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AMC/Jeep V8 alternator (CS144) bracket (in stock !)

Lower tension brackets that make swapping in a CS144 alt. a little easier and cleaner.





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Why you want this for doing a conversion: (If your AMC/Jeep had the standard SI-10 or SI-12 Alt)

Slot radius is correct for the CS144 larger frame.
Slot hole is 10mm for the tension bolt
Slot placement allows for more adjustment range, with the larger frame CS144.
Bracket clears the oil pump housing

They are avalible in stock,
$35.00 (single) $60.00 (pair) Total price shipped in the lower 48 (USA)
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Old 11-14-2010, 08:55 PM
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Good Product

Shipped fast and worked great. Great Quality.

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Shipped fast and worked great. Great Quality.
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With this excellent bracket, the CS144 upgrade has to be in the Top 5 Easiest FSJ upgrades.
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Old 11-18-2010, 11:08 AM
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Good to see them out there being used by happy Jeepers

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Old 11-22-2010, 03:01 AM
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gonna need one.

i will need one of these brackets in the next week or so. i do hope you have some still available.
This is the only part of the mounting bracket that had to be modded correct?
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Old 02-22-2011, 11:42 PM
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Couple notes from common questions:

Are the brackets available ?

There are ~10 of them left.

Parts needed :

Bracket (Duh, look what section this is in )
Though many have had success modifying the stock SI-10/SI-12, but they have limited belt adjustment range, and the stock bracket may hit/rub interfere with the oil pump housing. YMMV

CS-144:
"1996 Cadillac Deville 4.6L 1994-1997 (Without Heated Windshield defroster)
Cadillac Deville Concours 4.6L 1994-1997 Cadillac Eldorado 4.6L 1993 Cadillac
Eldorado Sport Coupe 4.6L 1994-1997 Cadillac Seville SLS 4.6L 1993-1997 Cadillac Seville STS 4.6L"

Is the easiest to use for clocking/mounting, other version can be run but might
require some messing around (re clocking, adding threaded insert in the tension
ear ...)

Belts: (With AC, I don't have a non-AC rig to test on, but likely hair longer than stock, should work)
Stock are a little on the short side Gates 7516/Napa NBH 257516, work well with this bracket.
Matched sets seem to be a thing of the past, so compare them, match lot numbers, in a pinch measure them and go though the parts store inventory to find the best possable match.

Harness adapter:
NAPA ECH82 (Summit, Delco .. also sell these) adapts your current alternator harness plug (All FSJ's with Delco alt. , all after ~1977ish) to the CS-144, and has a in-line resistor)

Tension bolt:
10mm-1.50 flange or washer bolt.

Installation and wiring:
There are many threads (sorry if I missed one or two) do a search, know your goals and keep it simple.

General theory of operation (Know what you are doing, read this)

http://oljeep.com/AltTheory17/AlternatorTheoryVersion17R1.htm

Serpentine belt pulley removal from the CS144:

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=131960&highlight=cs144+pulley

General mounting (OEM Delco SI-12/SI-10 rigs)
Check the pulley alignment, you may need to add a washer or to to the long tube spacer, some need to be shimmed out a hair some don't.

The CS-144 is going to be more picky with loose or glazed belts, it can require as much as 2X the torque to turn at full load vs. the smaller alt. at the same RPM. ( 140 amps requires ~twice the torque/belt load vs. 70amps, at any given RPM)

Wiring:
In general: Do not expect your current output wire to handle the 140 amps a CS-144 can output, without creating a fire hazard. A larger gauge wire directly back to the battery, is pretty much mandatory. (fuse or fusible link in this wire is highly recommended)

If you jump start someone, the CS144, will attempt to provide full current (140 amps if at high idle) to your battery connection, you do not want a small gauge wire trying to carry this current back to your battery, (GM used a 6ga wire for the output, many have gone larger 4+ga. )


There is a couple diagrams in this thread, on possible way's to power the current fuse box, http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=115116&page=4&highlight=CS144
I think most users use the current 10ga Yellow (has a fusible link) as the feed, some use the Red old alt output line (now unused but still hot)(you would need to add a fusible link as there is none, if you use the Red), either is fine IMHO, I would not use both, and using both would IMHO create a hazard, due to the added short circuit current from two parallel fusible links. If you use the Yellow feed, be sure to isolate and secure or eliminate the unused old output wire it is still going to be hot, and could make a mess if left floating around waiting to short out, similar note for the Yellow if you use the Red wire.

The large alt is not to feed more power to your current system, it is there to handle non-stock loads, (Winch, Plow pumps, jump-starting, ghetto-blaster sound systems, electric fans, off road lights ....) as such place you new loads on the output of the alt, do not hang large non-stock loads off you current fuse panel.

Since the stock ammeter is of no use, here is a neat solution to add a volt meter in it's place:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ight=voltmeter

Wiring Diagrams for many FSJ's are here
http://oljeep.com/gw/elec/GW_wiring.html

I am sure I am forgetting missing some good threads on converting to a CS-144.

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Old 03-11-2011, 08:34 PM
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Got my bracket today. Fast shipping. Good quality part. I will install it on Monday. Thanks Mike!
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:53 PM
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:04 AM
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I got mine in, they are really good better than what came with my engines
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:52 PM
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I am having to completly rewire my truck so I'm planning on upgrading the alt. Will this bracket work on a 72 360? Also say I want to use a cs130 I think they have the same case and should b interchangible right?
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Old 08-23-2011, 10:14 PM
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Sorry, It is not any help for someone who wants to run a small frame CS-130.

The bracket is built for swapping a large frame alt (SI-15 or CS-144), in place of a small frame Delco SI-10, SI-12, and reusing the rest of the OEM Delco brackets.

Also around 72 ish AMC changed the accessory stuff around, I am not sure that later pulley offset's such are the same, and if a later bracket set by itself would would play with the 72 setup.

Wish I could help, but this is not the correct part for your application.

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I am having to completly rewire my truck so I'm planning on upgrading the alt. Will this bracket work on a 72 360? Also say I want to use a cs130 I think they have the same case and should b interchangible right?
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Old 08-28-2011, 09:45 AM
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I received mine the other day. Haven't had a chance to put it on yet, but definately a quality piece.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:03 PM
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Please let us know if you manufacture any more of these brackets. I might be interested as well...
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Old 12-25-2011, 08:22 PM
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Depending on price, I could use one.
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I got one and it's a quality product. Nice work.
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Mike, can you let me know when you have more in stock? What was the price on these, I forget.
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x2, planning on doing this upgrade soon too, still available?
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