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  • pablo_max
    258 I6
    • Dec 19, 2008
    • 332

    Looping idle

    Hey guys.
    I have a bit of a looping idle issue.
    I assumed that it was a vacuum issue, but as it's a 72 with basically no lines I am not sure where it would come from.
    I have checked the manifold, the carb mounting and the advance. All seem fine.
    It loops under 900 RPMs by 50-100 RPMs.

    The only other thing I have noticed is that it feels a little as though it's starving out at high RPMs when I give it the beans. If I back off on the gas though it does OK up in the high RPM range.
    I dont recall that it did this before I have the electrical system replaced.

    I checked the timing today and I set it at 10 BTDC with the vacuum advance off and plugged.
    Any ideas on where to start?
    1972 Wagoneer
    401 w/edelbrock Performer manifold and Holley Truck avenger
    Complete MSD ignition system with rev limiter and billet distributor.
    4inch lift.
    t-18/D20
    E-Z wiring kit.
  • shackwrrr
    360 AMC
    • Mar 04, 2006
    • 3145

    #2
    have you checked the EGR. It can cause a rough idle if it hangs open. Also If it is stuck slightly open and wont open anymore you can get a stumble because the mixture leans out without the exhaust gas in there
    Jeepless

    In to Turbo crap now

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    • pablo_max
      258 I6
      • Dec 19, 2008
      • 332

      #3
      true...
      I dont have an EGR though.
      1972 Wagoneer
      401 w/edelbrock Performer manifold and Holley Truck avenger
      Complete MSD ignition system with rev limiter and billet distributor.
      4inch lift.
      t-18/D20
      E-Z wiring kit.

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      • shackwrrr
        360 AMC
        • Mar 04, 2006
        • 3145

        #4
        I guess that would make the diagnosis different.

        Look for a lean condition. Either a fuel pressure issue a leak or maybe your float height is changed for some reason.
        Jeepless

        In to Turbo crap now

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        • pablo_max
          258 I6
          • Dec 19, 2008
          • 332

          #5
          I wonder about the pump. I dont have a filter before the pump only after.
          I did drain the tank and clean it out though when I soldered the vent tube back on.
          I will check the bowls again tomorrow I guess.
          1972 Wagoneer
          401 w/edelbrock Performer manifold and Holley Truck avenger
          Complete MSD ignition system with rev limiter and billet distributor.
          4inch lift.
          t-18/D20
          E-Z wiring kit.

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          • shackwrrr
            360 AMC
            • Mar 04, 2006
            • 3145

            #6
            have a propane torch. Crack it above the carb and see if the idle smoothes out
            Jeepless

            In to Turbo crap now

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            • pablo_max
              258 I6
              • Dec 19, 2008
              • 332

              #7
              I have one..but what would that tell me?
              1972 Wagoneer
              401 w/edelbrock Performer manifold and Holley Truck avenger
              Complete MSD ignition system with rev limiter and billet distributor.
              4inch lift.
              t-18/D20
              E-Z wiring kit.

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              • Serious Johnson
                AMC 4 OH! 1
                • May 19, 2002
                • 3831

                #8
                Originally posted by pablo_max
                I have one..but what would that tell me?
                Smoother (not just faster) idle would tell you that your idle mixture is too lean, which you ought to be able to fix with the mixture screws. You can also wave the torch around (unlit, of course) to pinpoint vacuum leaks.

                S.J.
                "Carpe Mañana".

                '83 Wagoneer
                360, .030-over, K8600 cam, Crane springs, ported heads, Edelbrock Performer, G.M. TBI, TFI, 3" exhaust,
                T-18a/208, D44/AMC 20 w/ limited slip in both, 3.73s, 33s, BDS 4" springs, Rancho 9000 shocks, etc., etc.

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                • Ristow
                  • Jan 20, 2006
                  • 17292

                  #9
                  Originally posted by shackwrrr
                  Look for a lean condition. Either a fuel pressure issue a leak or maybe your float height is changed for some reason.

                  yup.
                  Originally posted by Hankrod
                  Ristows right.................again,


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                  • pablo_max
                    258 I6
                    • Dec 19, 2008
                    • 332

                    #10
                    Yup...seems it was a bit rich. I gave the idle screws about 1/2 turn and it smoothed out.
                    Although, I still get the popping when going down hill under an engine break condition.
                    1972 Wagoneer
                    401 w/edelbrock Performer manifold and Holley Truck avenger
                    Complete MSD ignition system with rev limiter and billet distributor.
                    4inch lift.
                    t-18/D20
                    E-Z wiring kit.

                    Comment

                    • shackwrrr
                      360 AMC
                      • Mar 04, 2006
                      • 3145

                      #11
                      popping under decel is usually a timing thing. I am thinking retarded but Im not sure.
                      Jeepless

                      In to Turbo crap now

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                      • pablo_max
                        258 I6
                        • Dec 19, 2008
                        • 332

                        #12
                        Its set at 10 BTDC currently.
                        The books says 5 though. I dont have a sticker on the hood, so I dont know what it was set for the factory.
                        1972 Wagoneer
                        401 w/edelbrock Performer manifold and Holley Truck avenger
                        Complete MSD ignition system with rev limiter and billet distributor.
                        4inch lift.
                        t-18/D20
                        E-Z wiring kit.

                        Comment

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