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  • AMC-COMMANDO
    232 I6
    • May 28, 2014
    • 116

    4.0 swap in J20

    Considering a 4.0 swap in my 75 J20. Has anyone done this? How did you like the results?

    Currently the truck has a 401. Love the 401 and the power, but hate the gas mileage! I would like to drive the truck a lot more so the 4.0 may be the way to go. I did this swap in my 72 Commando and love it. But it is not a street cruiser, mainly just my rock crawler. And I did notice a difference between the 360 that was in my Commando and the 4.0.
    1975 J20
    1972 Commando
    1962 CJ3B U.S. Navy
    1971 Hurst Jeepster
  • Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81
    Cherokee Outlaw
    • Jan 10, 2006
    • 7292

    #2
    IMO 6cyls in these rigs are a little underpowered for how heavy they are. Just my .02, though.
    -Jonny B.
    1979 Cherokee Golden Eagle - UNDER CONSTRUCTION
    7" Alcan springs, BJ's HD shackles - 35x12.5x15 BFG Mud Terrains
    AMC 401 - Pro-Flo 4 EFI
    NV4500/NWF BB/NP205 - Triple Stick'd
    F D44 - 4.10, Eaton E-Locker
    R M23 - 4.10, Detroit Locker

    1979 Cherokee Chief - Parts
    1979 Cherokee Chief - Parts
    1979 Wagoneer - Sold
    1981 Cherokee Chief - Cubed

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    • addicted
      Big Meanie
      • Dec 11, 2004
      • 4876

      #3
      It's a swap i've always wanted to do. 4.0/NV4500/NP241 in a J20. The 4.0 will do the job and do it much more efficiently. Just slower. I don't drive fast anymore so that isn't a problem.

      I put a 4.0/AW4/NP208 into an '89 GW. With the 3.73 gears it moved along nicely and only downshifted on bigger hills at 65ish mph with my 3000lb pop up camper in tow and a long weekends worth of supplies and clothes. Otherwise it cruised along nicely.
      Originally posted by Ristow
      i bet it was Simon....
      he's such big meanie that way...
      please don't tell him i said that....

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      • AMC-COMMANDO
        232 I6
        • May 28, 2014
        • 116

        #4
        I think I am going to do this in the near future. I have a freshly rebuilt 4.0 on the stand in the shop. And I recently got a part time kit with the overdrive to go in the Quadratrac. I will stick with the Turbo 400. The swap should be an exact duplicate of what I did in my 72 Commando. I know it won't be a power house but sure will make the truck more affordable to drive.
        1975 J20
        1972 Commando
        1962 CJ3B U.S. Navy
        1971 Hurst Jeepster

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        • Mikel
          • Aug 09, 2000
          • 6330

          #5
          What would be the MPG gain? Going from low teens to mid teens?
          Last edited by Mikel; 03-26-2015, 05:13 PM.
          1969 M715 6x6
          1963 J300 Swivel frame

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          • #6
            Auto or stick?
            Jeep gauges are for amusement only. Any correlation between them and reality is purely coincidental.

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            • AMC-COMMANDO
              232 I6
              • May 28, 2014
              • 116

              #7
              It would be going from about 8 mpg to hopefully 12-15? Not exactly sure but has to be better. My Commando which had a 360, I never really checked mpg. It was built for mainly off road use but I do drive it to town once in a while. It went from using 5+ gallons to go up to the mountains to using about 3 gallons. Which is about a 30 min drive from my house. It also has 4.88 gears.

              The truck is a 75 with a turbo 400 and 3.73 gears. I know the auto is going to rob some power.
              1975 J20
              1972 Commando
              1962 CJ3B U.S. Navy
              1971 Hurst Jeepster

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              • brielly
                350 Buick
                • Dec 30, 2002
                • 1076

                #8
                I'd look to swap in an aw4 or ax15 along with the 4.0. The th400 is a bit of a resource hog that will hurt both your speed and mileage. You are going to use the efi with that engine right? If you are going efi you'll need to switch to hydroboost brakes to fit the 4.0 intake.

                You have the potential to get 17 mpg or maybe at bit more. Definitely worth the effort!
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                1982 Cherokee Chief 258 6 cyl, AX-15, NP208, mopar mpfi, hydroboost brakes.

                1983 Jeep Cherokee Laredo 258 6cyl*SOLD*

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                • DieselSJ
                  304 AMC
                  • May 19, 2003
                  • 1925

                  #9
                  Originally posted by brielly
                  I'd look to swap in an aw4 or ax15 along with the 4.0. The th400 is a bit of a resource hog that will hurt both your speed and mileage. You are going to use the efi with that engine right? If you are going efi you'll need to switch to hydroboost brakes to fit the 4.0 intake.

                  You have the potential to get 17 mpg or maybe at bit more. Definitely worth the effort!
                  Or a NV3500. Definitely swap in some type of overdrive trans.
                  -87 Grand, 6.5L diesel, MHI TE06H turbo, Water/air intercooler, Art Carr 700R4, CS-130, hydroboost. 21/24mpg, dead 229 [Custom 242 on the way]
                  -99 XJ Limited.
                  -Jeepspeed 1717 -Built 4.0, FAST EFI, Rubicon Express, Bilstein, Rigid Industries, 4 Wheel Parts, G2 Axle, Currie Enterprises
                  -Member, FSJ Prissy Restoration Association

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                  • AMC-COMMANDO
                    232 I6
                    • May 28, 2014
                    • 116

                    #10
                    I am not wanting to get to involved in swapping out engines. Just the engine swap will help a bunch I think. Switching out trans will take more time and $$$. Especially to switch to a stick.

                    I had not thought about the booster issue. Might be easier to adapt a Bronco booster instead of a hydro boost. I guess I will cross that bridge when I get there.
                    1975 J20
                    1972 Commando
                    1962 CJ3B U.S. Navy
                    1971 Hurst Jeepster

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                    • sxp
                      230 Tornado
                      • Feb 02, 2015
                      • 7

                      #11
                      I hope to drop a 4.0L into my M715 someday. My plan would be to stroke it to 4.6L or so and mate it to a NV4500. This way I can stay true to it's inline 6 routes, but with a more solid engine when the time comes to replace the Tornado.

                      The idea of a 4.0L in my wagoneer is interesting, but a 4.8L Vortec with a 4 speed trans is a better/cheaper route for me.

                      Best of luck with the swap, and keep us updated.

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                      • babywag
                        out of order
                        • Jun 08, 2005
                        • 10287

                        #12
                        Honestly a stocker 401 while it has the cool factor wouldn't be my first choice in a long shot.
                        One of my first vehicles was a 401 powered Cherokee, and while it was fun to drive...paying for it sure did suck!

                        I say go for it!
                        A nice 4.0 isn't much less hp, it'll rev higher, and obviously get better mileage. Added bonus of multiport FI, etc.
                        Tony
                        88 GW, 67 J3000, 07 Magnum SRT8

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                        • AMC-COMMANDO
                          232 I6
                          • May 28, 2014
                          • 116

                          #13
                          I love the sound, and the pep of the 401 but not the mpg! I really enjoy driving the truck so I need to do something. I let my daughter use my Grand Cherokee for a few days so I have been driving the J20. Filled it 3 times in 4 days! Kills my wallet! I can't drive it long distances which sucks.

                          I debated a 4.6 but I have a fresh rebuilt 93 4.0 sitting on the stand. My Dad rebuilt it for his 83 CJ7 and then sold the Jeep to buy a 2003 Rubicon. So I hate to tear it down to stroke it. And best of all the engine was free! Just need to find the time to have the truck down for a while. And still need a few more parts for the swap.
                          1975 J20
                          1972 Commando
                          1962 CJ3B U.S. Navy
                          1971 Hurst Jeepster

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                          • DieselSJ
                            304 AMC
                            • May 19, 2003
                            • 1925

                            #14
                            Originally posted by AMC-COMMANDO
                            I am not wanting to get to involved in swapping out engines. Just the engine swap will help a bunch I think. Switching out trans will take more time and $$$. Especially to switch to a stick.

                            I had not thought about the booster issue. Might be easier to adapt a Bronco booster instead of a hydro boost. I guess I will cross that bridge when I get there.
                            Get the whole driveline - engine, auto trans, xfercase and go with that. The wiring for the automatic will all be there - plug it in and go.
                            -87 Grand, 6.5L diesel, MHI TE06H turbo, Water/air intercooler, Art Carr 700R4, CS-130, hydroboost. 21/24mpg, dead 229 [Custom 242 on the way]
                            -99 XJ Limited.
                            -Jeepspeed 1717 -Built 4.0, FAST EFI, Rubicon Express, Bilstein, Rigid Industries, 4 Wheel Parts, G2 Axle, Currie Enterprises
                            -Member, FSJ Prissy Restoration Association

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