International Full Size Jeep Association
Home Forums Reader's Rigs Tech Library Trail Stories FSJ-List
International Full Size Jeep Association  

Go Back   International Full Size Jeep Association > Tire Kickin' > General FSJ Tech

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-14-2008, 09:41 AM
Andro Andro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 30, 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 48
Cherokee 6.0 Vortec project Germany - many pics!!

Today Iíd like to introduce myself and my running project. My name is Andy, I live in Wiesbaden, Germany and used to have a GW a couple of years ago. At this time I was active in this forum but then I had to sell her and was gone until 6 months ago, ready to finally get the car I really like to drive Ė a Cherokee. I always liked the 2 door widetrack more than the 4 door waggie.[/font][/size]
Like everyone else I spent hours in reading here and now I want to share my story with you.
Please donít blame me for doing this project not myself.

So back in June my friend Tony bought this 83 WT Cherokee Laredo I found here in the forum from a guy in Atlanta area who is a member in this forum. (I am terribly sorry but I forgot his name) So Tony brought her to his house in Charleston on June 24th and was very excited because body and frame are almost perfect, rustfree with just some minor spots.







In Tony's driveway beside his Discovery



First thing Tony did was to add new spings (BJís 2 inch lifted) and shocks I got from BJís and tires he bought locally.







Next step would have been to rebuild the 360 and then ship it to Germany. This was my planned budget. As everyone knows a planned budget is completely different to the final spend budget, but I didnít realize it at this point. I now started to investigate the 360 rebuild.
Well, as weeks passed by and everyone told me once you do this rebuild and the engine is out, get it done right and complete and restore it frame of - the truck is worth it, I started to like this idea. Inspired by television currently showing Overhaulin, American Hot Rod and some others (I know it was shown a couple of years ago in the US, but in Germany itís brand new and shown the first time) I got really hard infected with this idea but ignoring what I would have to spend.
At the same time I finally changed my mind to follow the new idea to swap to a modern fuel injected and more economic engine. We also had to find someone in Tonyís area to do this job. So luckily one of his neighbors is a Jeep maniac and he led us to B&R Off Road in Charleston. He said Randy is the guy to go to.
It finally took until October to get to this point and then we started to figure out what needs to be done. I finally fell in love with Randyís idea to swap to a 6.0 L Vortec drivetrain out of a 2006 Sierra.
This decision made, next step is frame and body. Preparing for the new paint job.







Taking the body from the frame









Next steps:
The body will be lineXed on the floor inside and outside.
The frame will be stripped and lineXed black.
The new paint job Ė colors will be Range Rover colors: Arctic white and Bourneville metallic
Drivetrain swap
Interior gets a new complete carpet set, new leather upholstery for all seats and armrest
Rhino grille conversion

These steps will be done in the next 3-4 weeks and I really hope it won't be later than that. Shipping it in a container to Germany will take another 3 weeks or so.
Once in Germany all the worldwide known german bureaucracy will hit me. To get it legally onto the street it has to pass the "T‹V" which is on one hand very expensive and on the other very, very frustrating because they complain about almost everything. For those guys don't know what I'm talking about: Most of your modified rigs wouldn't meet the regulations and would not be allowed to be legally driven on the roads.
So with my tiny 31's and slight lift I hope I won't have any issues.

Once I'm allowed to drive it the final step will be a LPG conversion, so I can run with gas and propane. With my mileage it will take about 2 years to pay off.

I will continue with new fotos and reports on this project shortly
__________________
Andy in Germany
83 Cherokee Laredo for over 9 years for uncompleted restoration and GEN III swap in Charleston, SC
Then for about 1.5 years in Pennsylvania to complete restoration and finally landed in Germany end of August 2017
Link to project

Last edited by Andro : 02-19-2009 at 10:58 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-14-2008, 10:54 AM
jaber's Avatar
jaber jaber is offline
Dragin Az
 
Join Date: Oct 17, 2003
Location: Chino Valley, Arizona
Posts: 8,009
Welcome back.

You've got a very nice ride there, thank you for the pics and details. I'll be watching for the updates.
__________________
Jeff

51 Willys p/u
'51 Willys Parkway Conversion
'74 CJ5
'75 J-20 Wrecker
'75 J-20 p/u
'77 J-10 p/u
'79 Cherokee
'88 Grand Wagoneer
http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/hh14/jeffaber/
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-14-2008, 12:02 PM
Clean RC's Avatar
Clean RC Clean RC is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 13, 2004
Location: Bellingham, Wa
Posts: 142
That is going to be one sweet FSJ.. Nice
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-14-2008, 01:47 PM
cajunKen's Avatar
cajunKen cajunKen is offline
Master Mechanic
 
Join Date: Feb 19, 2007
Location: Eaton, CO
Posts: 849
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clean RC
That is going to be one sweet FSJ.. Nice

X2

Good luck with your swap & keep us posted. I would love to do a Vortech swap.
__________________
Ken

'87 GW-360, 727/229, TFI, Holley Street Dominator manifold & Edelbrock 1406. Stock lift & tires.

Beef-It's what's for dinner....cause there ain't no d@mn shrimp in Colorado!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-14-2008, 01:51 PM
The PIG Smith's Avatar
The PIG Smith The PIG Smith is offline
King Browless
 
Join Date: Nov 30, 2001
Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana
Posts: 6,527
Agreed! One very sweet Rig!

Welcome back to the Madness of FSJ Ownership.
As you already know, there is not no known cure and the only way to ease the pain is to buy another rig to work on! HAHAHA

I am guessing that by living in Wiesbaden, Germany you are in the USAF?
While serving in the US Army, I spent four wonderful year in Crailsheim, Germany, way down south, between Nuremberg and Stuttgart.
I traveled a lot and was in Wiesbaden many times.

I love the direction that you are going with your Cherokee
I am envious of the fact you have little or no rust.

While JeepinPete is one of the premiere members that has performed this swap, there have been a few others, all with excellent results.
I believe Pete has some motor mounts that help you with your swap.
ChileWaggy has completed this swap and has a video of his 6.0L Vortec powered rig.
__________________
Bryan Smith
2005 Grand Cherokee Limited - HEMI! Current Daily Driver
1982 J10: Current Project, goal to be roadworthy in 2017: No Cab Brow!
1981 J20: Commercial flat bed. Long term Project: RUST! No Cab Brow!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayrodoh
...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindel
Best laid plans, yada yada yada...

Last edited by The PIG Smith : 06-12-2010 at 06:24 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-14-2008, 03:09 PM
Lindel's Avatar
Lindel Lindel is offline
Perfesser of Jeepology
 
Join Date: Jun 15, 2000
Location: Carpentersville, IL 60110
Posts: 9,204
Welcome back! Nice rig and please keep us up to date!
__________________
Jeep Grounds
RRV Homepage
Texas Full Size Jeep Association
1987 Grand Wagoneer
AMC 360/TF727/NP229
1999 Wrangler Sport
4.0L/AX-15/NV231


Quote:
ďFreedom is never more than one generation away from extinctionĒ by Ronald Reagan.


Formerly of DFW/Gun Barrel City, TX - eventually to return...
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-14-2008, 05:05 PM
ChileWaggy's Avatar
ChileWaggy ChileWaggy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 14, 2007
Location: Chile
Posts: 168
Excellent project....you will love it
Are you thinking on using the complete Sierra drivetrain (cases)??
__________________
1989 Grand Wagoneer
Vortec 6.0L, Nelson Performance Tune, Air Aid Kit.
4L60E/NP 241.
BJ's 4" lift.
31x10,50 BF Goodrich.
Drivetrain Swap Here:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=84851
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-15-2008, 04:37 AM
Andro Andro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 30, 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 48
Thanks for the warm welcome guys!

Brian, I hope I won't dissapoint you but I am not serving the forces at all, I am german, was born here and still live here. But if you're familiar with Wiesbaden, I live very close to the Wiesbaden US Army Airfield in Erbenheim. It's about 100 feet from my house.
About the motor mounts - I already have a set from BJ's - thanks anyway for the tip.

ChileWaggy, yes I'll get it with the Sierra transfercase. It's a manual, not the electronic push a button one.
I followed your thread about your swap and it's a really great one. I had a smile on my face while watching your video.

By the way, the original drivetrain is for sale, if someone is interested. Also the original grill and headlights.
__________________
Andy in Germany
83 Cherokee Laredo for over 9 years for uncompleted restoration and GEN III swap in Charleston, SC
Then for about 1.5 years in Pennsylvania to complete restoration and finally landed in Germany end of August 2017
Link to project
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-15-2008, 11:25 AM
COLOFIREMAN's Avatar
COLOFIREMAN COLOFIREMAN is offline
FSJ Maniac
 
Join Date: Apr 09, 2005
Location: Mountains of Colorado
Posts: 2,569
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andro

Please donít blame me for doing this project not myself.


Why in the word would we blame you. I commend you for taking such a large project on!!!

Good luck.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-15-2008, 12:16 PM
Randyzzz's Avatar
Randyzzz Randyzzz is offline
Grease Monkey
 
Join Date: Mar 03, 2008
Location: Redmond, OR
Posts: 295
Looks like a great project! I am currently in process of swapping a 350 TBI into my Waggy. And a 5.3 Vortec into my Scrambler.

Do they have emissions testing in Germany, or is it just safety items?

I'm half German, my Mom and Grandmother moved here from Oldenburg in the mid 30's. I have always wanted to go to Germany- some day.
__________________
Randy S.
It's not what you Buy, it's what you Build.
1987 J20
1966 Waggy
1968 Waggy
1970 Waggy
1972 Waggy

1982 Scrambler
1981 Scrambler

www.oldsoulsretros.com
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-15-2008, 12:38 PM
Andro Andro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 30, 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 48
Oh yes Randy, we do have extensive emission testing and we pay car tax by emission output and engine size every year. Here's an example:
A 6.0 L carburetted motor is $1,230.00 per year minimum - the fuel injected Vortec is about half of that. Obviousely, this isn't fun!!

So once you make it over here, you're always welcome. Frankfurt International Airport is about a 10 minute drive from my house.
__________________
Andy in Germany
83 Cherokee Laredo for over 9 years for uncompleted restoration and GEN III swap in Charleston, SC
Then for about 1.5 years in Pennsylvania to complete restoration and finally landed in Germany end of August 2017
Link to project
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-15-2008, 12:49 PM
Randyzzz's Avatar
Randyzzz Randyzzz is offline
Grease Monkey
 
Join Date: Mar 03, 2008
Location: Redmond, OR
Posts: 295
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andro
Oh yes Randy, we do have extensive emission testing and we pay car tax by emission output and engine size every year. Here's an example:
A 6.0 L carburetted motor is $1,230.00 per year minimum - the fuel injected Vortec is about half of that. Obviousely, this isn't fun!!

So once you make it over here, you're always welcome. Frankfurt International Airport is about a 10 minute drive from my house.

OUCH! I guess that's one way to get people to drive economical vehicles. And I thought high gas prices were bad enough. What is gas going for over there?

Thanks for the offer- It probably will be awhile, I'm currently "between jobs" (Laid Off), so our savings are going away fast. Luckily I had bought all the Jeep parts while I was still working! Any Jobs over there? I'd have to study up on my German...it's been years- actually since my Grandma passed on. And I probably couldn't afford to register my Jeeps!
__________________
Randy S.
It's not what you Buy, it's what you Build.
1987 J20
1966 Waggy
1968 Waggy
1970 Waggy
1972 Waggy

1982 Scrambler
1981 Scrambler

www.oldsoulsretros.com
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-15-2008, 12:55 PM
Andro Andro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 30, 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Randyzzz
OUCH! I guess that's one way to get people to drive economical vehicles. And I thought high gas prices were bad enough. What is gas going for over there?
Right now it's very very cheap, about $4.11 a gallon, the highest price this year was $5.76
This the reason I want to run LPG as well, it's about half the price of gas.
__________________
Andy in Germany
83 Cherokee Laredo for over 9 years for uncompleted restoration and GEN III swap in Charleston, SC
Then for about 1.5 years in Pennsylvania to complete restoration and finally landed in Germany end of August 2017
Link to project

Last edited by Andro : 12-15-2008 at 01:02 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-15-2008, 01:03 PM
tkiller13's Avatar
tkiller13 tkiller13 is offline
Bleedin' Gasoline
 
Join Date: Jun 17, 2005
Location: toledo,oh
Posts: 1,648
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andro
Please donít blame me for doing this project not myself


No blame here. It takes some guts to have a fsj restored while living in another country.
__________________
chris
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-16-2008, 09:02 AM
The PIG Smith's Avatar
The PIG Smith The PIG Smith is offline
King Browless
 
Join Date: Nov 30, 2001
Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana
Posts: 6,527
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andro
Brian, I hope I won't dissapoint you but I am not serving the forces at all, I am german, was born here and still live here. But if you're familiar with Wiesbaden, I live very close to the Wiesbaden US Army Airfield in Erbenheim. It's about 100 feet from my house.
No Disappointment at all.
Was a poor assumption on my part.
I loved that part your country.
I took a Rhine River tours as many times as I could.
I hope someday to return and bring my family with me.

While I served, I was privileged to drive a Dodge pickup on the autobahn.
That smallish 318 moved that 1 ton pickup right along.
Also, I was able to operate a lead sled, a early 70ish Ford LTD.
It was a blast.
I always wanted to cruise the autobahn in a super kewl BMW.

As my J20 sorta tops out a 85mph/136kph and that was about as far a I would push it.
I could hear the chain in the transfercase protesting.
My J20 is a tow rig brute, not a speed demon.

I dunno how fast the Wagoneer I sold would go...90+mph/140+kph...it was quick!
JeepBountyHunter owns it now and even he thought it was quicker than the average FSJ.
I've not driven my J10 far enough to find out.

I would really like to see how fast a FSJ would legally be.

I'll bet with a 6.0L Vortec, your Cherokee will be wicked quick!
Are you planning to ship your rig across the big pond?
__________________
Bryan Smith
2005 Grand Cherokee Limited - HEMI! Current Daily Driver
1982 J10: Current Project, goal to be roadworthy in 2017: No Cab Brow!
1981 J20: Commercial flat bed. Long term Project: RUST! No Cab Brow!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayrodoh
...but if it works, I wouldn't touch it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindel
Best laid plans, yada yada yada...
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-16-2008, 10:15 AM
Andro Andro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 30, 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by The PIG Smith
I always wanted to cruise the autobahn in a super kewl BMW.

No matter what car, as long as the Autobahn is not crowded it's nice to drive sometimes 140 mph

Quote:
Originally Posted by The PIG Smith
Are you planning to ship your rig across the big pond

Yes, as soon as the project is finished it will ship to Germany.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The PIG Smith
I'll bet with a 6.0L Vortec, your Cherokee will be wicked quick!

You bet I'll let you know how fast it goes...
__________________
Andy in Germany
83 Cherokee Laredo for over 9 years for uncompleted restoration and GEN III swap in Charleston, SC
Then for about 1.5 years in Pennsylvania to complete restoration and finally landed in Germany end of August 2017
Link to project

Last edited by Andro : 12-16-2008 at 10:22 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 02-19-2009, 10:50 AM
Andro Andro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 30, 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 48
It took a while but now a bunch of new pics.

Here the body after it was Line-Xed












the frame Line-Xed



starting to put it all together again







I hope to get back the body from the paint shop next week. I'm really excited to see the new paint job.
__________________
Andy in Germany
83 Cherokee Laredo for over 9 years for uncompleted restoration and GEN III swap in Charleston, SC
Then for about 1.5 years in Pennsylvania to complete restoration and finally landed in Germany end of August 2017
Link to project
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 02-19-2009, 10:57 AM
Andro Andro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 30, 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 48
This is the donor vehicle for the 6.0L Vortec



__________________
Andy in Germany
83 Cherokee Laredo for over 9 years for uncompleted restoration and GEN III swap in Charleston, SC
Then for about 1.5 years in Pennsylvania to complete restoration and finally landed in Germany end of August 2017
Link to project
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 02-19-2009, 11:24 AM
Eugene 1's Avatar
Eugene 1 Eugene 1 is offline
Bleedin' Gasoline
 
Join Date: Feb 04, 2006
Location: La Crosse,Wisconsin ,Wichita ks, Oklahoma City
Posts: 1,845
Wunderbar!
__________________
1970 Charger Daytona
2005 Ram 1500 Hemi
1979 Cherokee Dodge CTD with running Gear Build thread
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=133468
MoPaR
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 02-19-2009, 11:49 AM
cajun_lad's Avatar
cajun_lad cajun_lad is offline
Master Mechanic
 
Join Date: Feb 17, 2006
Location: Vidalia, GA
Posts: 1,368
Andy, I saw your frame last Friday when I stopped by to talk with Randy. Looks nice. BTW, I paid him for your transfer case. Thanks again. Did you decide which Rhino grille you will be using? I might be in the market for one, and if you didn't use the one you got from me, I'd like to buy it back.
__________________
Joey
Jeep-Less
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
corner corner