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Old 06-24-2018, 01:24 PM
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Worst Case, Engine Fire

Guys, yesterday i had a engine fire started from the distributor. For luck it burned down only the distributor and all wires and hoses around this area.

I got the information that AMC`s had problems with fuel fumes and the one or other distibutor burned down.

I know now that i will install a extinguisher, it was horrible, the time until i had water to delete it. For luck the fuel sparked not, otherwise she would burned down completly.....

Any other fire victims?
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Old 06-24-2018, 02:10 PM
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Wow! Scary for sure. Didnt know that was a problem but i have certainly smelled gas fumes...
Adding a fire extinguisher to the list of necessary parts.
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Old 06-24-2018, 03:58 PM
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Sad to hear of the fire.

Not wanting to bore you here's the story.
In 1988 I had one in Colorado at about 11,000 feet. This was Poughkeepsie Gulch were 4x4s should be at least slightly better than stock. I was pushing that a little bit in my 1976 Waggie. At a steep angle gasoline leaked from bowl gasket down fuel line dripping on tiny exhaust leak. A massive fire erupted from the other pooled leaked fuel before I could move to a more level spot to fight the fire. I jumped out grabbing my new in the box Kiddie fire extinguisher. I popped the hood singeing some unneeded hair. I triggered this beautiful red device. BUT… dear hearts… there were no happening… read as zero effect. I saw dollar signs in the black smoke… after trying two more times I looked at the gauge, the needle was leisurely laying at the bottom of the gauge. I yelled at my wife… First off never yell at your wife!
Tune in next week for part two…

Never mind. The wife handed me a gallon jug of good old Ft. Worth tap water…
Well yes, I know, I was once a firefighter that had fought a few car fires… with CO2.
And that is shocking with the engine still running.

Meanwhile back on the mountain I laughingly pored water on the gasoline fire while still able to smell some burnt hair. Amazingly the fire went out.
Even more amazing after five pushes We coasted to a stop in front of a garage next door to a motel with a vacancy in Ouray, lent a CJ-7 and went to supper.
Surprisingly I was not ripped off for repairs and a new set of sparkplug wires.
Ever since I carried two fire extinguishers neither of which are the Kiddie brand.

The most difficult part of this was, it was my second day of quitting smoking after thirty years. I still ain't had one! And the Waggie did Poughkeepsie Gulch a couple more times
later.

Good luck.. Don S..

BTW… This was able to happen due to a little less oxygen at 11,000 feet.
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Old 06-24-2018, 04:53 PM
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aaaaack, terrible story, sorry for your scare.
From the distributor side especially, what distributor do you have, oem or hei?
whag aboug powef steering fluid leak? hydraulic fluid leaks are worst for fires.
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Old 06-24-2018, 05:04 PM
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I spoke with a past owner of my '66 Toronado. He said that back in the day, the carburetor caught fire as he pulled into a car wash. He thought "this is my chance to collect the insurance money". Then someone showed up with a fire extinguisher and put out the fire
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Old 06-24-2018, 08:26 PM
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remember to spray thru the grille, never pop up the hood, it will allow more air to feed the flames!
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:49 PM
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I can see that working with CO2 or Halon but a dry chem?
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Old 06-25-2018, 07:52 AM
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Thanks for sharing your story!

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Originally Posted by Don S
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Sad to hear of the fire.

Not wanting to bore you here's the story.
In 1988 I had one in Colorado at about 11,000 feet. This was Poughkeepsie Gulch were 4x4s should be at least slightly better than stock. I was pushing that a little bit in my 1976 Waggie. At a steep angle gasoline leaked from bowl gasket down fuel line dripping on tiny exhaust leak. A massive fire erupted from the other pooled leaked fuel before I could move to a more level spot to fight the fire. I jumped out grabbing my new in the box Kiddie fire extinguisher. I popped the hood singeing some unneeded hair. I triggered this beautiful red device. BUT… dear hearts… there were no happening… read as zero effect. I saw dollar signs in the black smoke… after trying two more times I looked at the gauge, the needle was leisurely laying at the bottom of the gauge. I yelled at my wife… First off never yell at your wife!
Tune in next week for part two…

Never mind. The wife handed me a gallon jug of good old Ft. Worth tap water…
Well yes, I know, I was once a firefighter that had fought a few car fires… with CO2.
And that is shocking with the engine still running.

Meanwhile back on the mountain I laughingly pored water on the gasoline fire while still able to smell some burnt hair. Amazingly the fire went out.
Even more amazing after five pushes We coasted to a stop in front of a garage next door to a motel with a vacancy in Ouray, lent a CJ-7 and went to supper.
Surprisingly I was not ripped off for repairs and a new set of sparkplug wires.
Ever since I carried two fire extinguishers neither of which are the Kiddie brand.

The most difficult part of this was, it was my second day of quitting smoking after thirty years. I still ain't had one! And the Waggie did Poughkeepsie Gulch a couple more times
later.

Good luck.. Don S..

BTW… This was able to happen due to a little less oxygen at 11,000 feet.
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Old 06-25-2018, 07:54 AM
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Stock Distributor.
Powersteering does have new hose and line. In the next weeks i will after arrival of the new parts check again the source, start, of the fire.

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aaaaack, terrible story, sorry for your scare.
From the distributor side especially, what distributor do you have, oem or hei?
whag aboug powef steering fluid leak? hydraulic fluid leaks are worst for fires.
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:01 AM
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Sounds like fuel pump or hose leak.

It's right there.
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:32 PM
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I was looking at your excellent bunch of pictures, is your fuel filter oriented properly with the return at 12 o'clock, the smaller hose 1/4" is supposed to be on top or above the main feed of 5/16" to the carburetor
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Old 06-25-2018, 03:39 PM
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Do you think it could be one of the causes?
I have to check when i am next time at the truck.

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I was looking at your excellent bunch of pictures, is your fuel filter oriented properly with the return at 12 o'clock, the smaller hose 1/4" is supposed to be on top or above the main feed of 5/16" to the carburetor
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Old 06-25-2018, 05:35 PM
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Do you think it could be one of the causes?
I have to check when i am next time at the truck.




Not too sure, but time to check the proper orientation of the fuel filter lines. I went to the extreme and relocated the fuel filter on the inner fender so the fuel does not cook above the valve cover, check my links in the signature. The wrong fuel filter orientation will usually create poor fuel delivery and poor performance



Something was set on fire and you need to find out what are the culprits, as it may not happen to one of us


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Old 06-28-2018, 05:54 AM
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Have you checked the emissions wiring thoroughly? I try to talk about it as often as possible to get people to check it/add protection to that circuit. Its basically unprotected from the factory and given its location its easy for it to short out.
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Old 06-29-2018, 01:07 PM
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Emissions wiring? You mean the vacuum circuit? What can you protect there?

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Have you checked the emissions wiring thoroughly? I try to talk about it as often as possible to get people to check it/add protection to that circuit. Its basically unprotected from the factory and given its location its easy for it to short out.
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Old 06-29-2018, 09:36 PM
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He’s referring to an orange wire that powers electric choke, carb bowl solenoid, etc.
When they short to ground the engine harness goes Chernobyl. It can destroy an engine harness and start electrical fires.

Yours sounds like it was a fuel leak?
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:29 PM
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Update:

2 weeks ago a local shop fixed the fire damage.

New Distributor (completly)
New Vaccum Valve (on the top of thermostat housing)
New Ignition Cable
New Water Hoses
Repair some electrical wires, and some vacuum hoses

After she was running fine when warm, but had big problems when cold. Drove for around 50 Miles, and she began to stall, and from one day to the other i could not put in the gear without dying engine. Tried to find the problem, but at the end it did not started again....

So, now i have to look for the failure, but do not find anything....

Any ideas?
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I'd suspect you've still got a damaged vacuum line and running lean.
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Old 08-11-2018, 02:27 PM
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Actual she do not start.....have to ckeck everything. So bad, she was runnig before.

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I'd suspect you've still got a damaged vacuum line and running lean.
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