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Old 11-22-2012, 08:13 AM
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Kirks '87 Grand Waggy - Slow Build

Hi, I'm Kirk. That being said, the screen name Kirk wasn't available. (Edit:Thanks to Tad, im Kirk!) Pleestameetcha.

My buddy knows I was looking for a Wagoneer project, and has been helping me locate one. He found one during his many travels doing hotshotting, and let me know the woman was eager for her husband to be done with it. (apparently he has no vote? dunno.) So he sends me pics, and I decide to take cash and take a look. Even better is, he was gonna be 19 miles north of the location with an empty trailer this morning anyway. Sounds great, lets go. I hop outta bed super early, cause its a long ride, and hit the road. I meet him 3 hours north of me in a pretty durn remote area. Remote like banjos and meth lab remote. Did I mention the streets not paved? Anywhoo, he calls the woman, and she comes meets us at the head of the road. 3.7 miles later, we pull up at the house. She directs us to the back yard and:

Wait. Two? Did they multiply? My buddy seems as astonished as I did. She says the one on the right is a parts car that if I'm interested in, we can work into the price of the one on the left. So I have the potiential to go from owning no Jeeps, to two jeeps in one swoop? Well if its anything like Volkswagens, you can always use spares, so maybe. I take a look at the '87 on the left. Some superfical body damage in the rear corners, front corner, some small swipes, etc. Looks to have been repainted once. I ask her why its parked, and she states that they drove it to meet their son at the airport an hour and a half away, it quit, and wouldnt restart. They had it towed home and began to trouble shoot it. By trouble shoot, she went on to say, they bought and installed the following:
*Alternator
*Starter
*Fuel Pump
*Fuel Filter
*Air Filter
*Belts
*Battery
*Ignition Switch
*Coil
And still couldnt get it to start. They then had it looked at by a mechanic, who assumed it was electrical, and told them he would "diagnose it" for $35 an hour. They declined his offer, and brought it home. It had been sitting a month before I came across it. They said they were tired of dealing with it, needed a reliable second car, and it was for sale. Well alrighty!

The parts FSJ was just that, for parts. Pre break down, they swapped its seats over, (better shape) and were swapping the door panels over as well as other small parts as needed when the primary broke down. Now they decided they wanted both gone. First pics up? Parts FSJ.






She claimed they bought it unrunning, and knew nothing of its running history. It has nearly new tires under it.
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:13 AM
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The previous daily driver:




It has nearly new tires on the rear, and decent tires on the front.


So we haggled around a bit, and I bought the one I came after. Seemed like a solid project, was running (werent they all?!) now not, lots of new parts, very little rust. Im in.




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Old 11-22-2012, 08:14 AM
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That left the little old parts wagon.


It looks cleaner than the one I bought, but its really not, its not got a title, and no keys and has been picked on already. She was fairly insistent, so in the sake of all thats awesome, I bought it too. I couldnt fit it on my trailer, Ill have to go back for it, but hell, why not? Ill take what I need, and pass the wheels/tires/engine/trans/axles/ect off to someone else. So if someone could be so kind as to tell me what stuff to pull before I share the carcass with the vultures, I would appreciate it. I was thinking the rest of the interior parts I need, maybe power window motors or switches or something? Guess I can cross that bridge when I come to it. Yes Constant Reader, I now own two jeeps.

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Coolant puddled in these two shots:


Overall - i know its hard, but point out any glaring bad things you see.


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Old 11-22-2012, 08:15 AM
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Next chapter - "Someone threatens to kill Kirk" and "They say it wont run, but WILL IT?!?" (cue dramatic music)
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:23 AM
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So we get to the bottom of the hill, and apparently in our haste to escape we missed a stop sign partially obscured by a tree, and blew right through it. I know this because when I got to the bottom of the 3.7 mile white rock hill, to figure out where we were going after, an elderly man in a mini van, wearing an oxygen tank and a "Veterans of Korea" ball cap advised me that if I ran that stop sign again, he would shoot my "butt" till I died. Being that im not rude to the elderly or veterans, I apologized. He repeated himself again, letting me know, my "butt, would be shot dead". Again, I thanked him for his service.

The trip back was very uneventful.


Got it back to my buddies house, and off the trailer. Checked the fluids. Its leaking oil badly, as the entire bottom of the motors covered, as is the crossmember. Im thinking it may need a rear main seal. Dunno. Oil level and coolant level is fine. Battery is dead however. Imma try and start this two ton turd.



(not me pictured)



Okay so its getting no spark (Score one for Stuka) and, its got this super odd looking thing on the left fender firewall. Can anyone tell me about it? I have a feeling some of my problems are gonna lie here.

Because I get power to one side of it. So I jumped it. Just cause, ya know, cause. And..... (iphone video)

http://youtu.be/JMnTXl6hUTI

http://youtu.be/PRu-3sJ6_1s -- pretty crummy, viewer beware.


Ha! Im half way there(ish). Still has a coolant leak, an oil leak, and wont start from the key! Okay. Maybe, uhm. 22% there.
Its resting comfortably at my buddies house until I can work on it more. I have a VW in need of immediate time and when its running, the Wagoneer moves up a notch.

I welcome your thoughts, comments, and concerns.
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:31 AM
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Looks like fun

I cannot help you with the electrical problems as my assistance would probably put you in harms way. I however enjoy the fact that you are a VW / Jeep person. I personally have 2 jeeps (GW and Scrambler) and 4 VW's in our family.

I will also be keeping a keen eye on your progress. I also have a request for some parts off the parts rig if they are in good shape. Primarily the front grill and insert as mine are kind of jacked. If you do get a chance to put some interior photos or list together of other parts, I might be able to help you recoup some of your costs as well.

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Old 11-22-2012, 09:36 AM
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:45 AM
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Very nice, you did good. It looks like a great start. Definitely get the 2nd one, especially since it looks like you've got the room to store it for awhile. You'll sell many parts off of it.

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Old 11-22-2012, 09:57 AM
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If you jumped the starter relay and it fired, I would do three things:

1. Check your grounds related to your starter switch and relay circuit. This is a really common problem that the ground for the relay/switch is bad.
2. Sometimes there can be a mechanical hang up (not likely, but easy to 'check') inside the relay. Just take it off and smack it a few times. If there is something hung up, this should release it. I wouldn't bank on this one, but it can't hurt to try.
3. If it still won't start, replace the starter relay (also known as starter solenoid). These are readily available at your standard McParts store. Just go in and ask for a starter relay/solenoid for whatever year Grand Wagoneer with 5.9L engine.

I would also suggest investing in a Chilton and/or Haynes manual for FSJs. They have some very useful wiring diagrams, assemblies, troubleshooting techniques, etc. in them.

Also, www.oljeep.com has full wiring diagrams for many years. Anytime you run into electrical problems, it is a good idea to trace circuits and check for obvious problems. Most things are self-explanatory, but if you run into something you can't handle then just post in the tech forum.

Good luck and welcome to the wonderful world of FSJs.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:12 AM
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I've seen that one before!!

Glad you made it over.

If you're close to Dallas, maybe we could get together in March. I'm planning on making a trip down then.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:56 AM
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Sweet!!

Good to see one get a second/third chance at being something other than a lawn ornament. Where specifically are you in North Texas? There seems to be a growing group of FSJ people in the area. I'm in Texarkana and have a 90 model and an 88 of the late model jeeps.

Good luck!!
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:26 AM
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Good to see another Texan! Looks like a very promising rig!
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Check the transmission safety wire also

On the later wagoneers there was a fifth wire/nipple on the starter solenoid that is the "safety" for the transmission. It will show a ground connection in park and neutral. If this wire has a break in it you will never get the ground needed to start. An easy way to check is to ground that wire or check it with an ohm meter.
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:50 AM
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Im not sure if this works but I had a problem getting mine to start when I first got it home.... That funky looking thing on the passenger fender (starter solenoid) has a ground on the bottom. Just check to see if it is connected just a hunch. Great score and I would also take both of them home.

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Old 11-22-2012, 06:21 PM
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Hi guys, thanks for the tips. Ill chase them all down as soon as I finish getting my bus back on the road.




Jeepfisher - I am also a 4 VW guy. A beetle, a squareback, and two buses. Most are backburnered for now, this bus I need back on the road for some camping trips. Its a labor of 70's fuel injection love. I'm super excited to have a wagoneer. I've wanted one a long time and wanted a project. This fit my budget nicely, even with the parts rig. I'll definately be selling it (parts rig), after I take a few small things off like power window switches and some stuff off the rear tailgate. Maybe the bumpers. Id LOVE to sell the whole thing complete, hint hint.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:49 PM
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Appreciate the hint hint

I appreciate the hint hint.... however if I purchased another rig, my wife would make me sleep in it.

Also, I think the shipping of it to Montana would exceed my budget needs.

Good luck with the build....
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:59 PM
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Fine fine. Ill part out small stuff too, so be thinking of what you need that I can box and ship fairly easily.
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Okay, worked on it this weekend. I have super limited time right now, but I cant help wanting to piddle on it. No pics, but several questions. First one is that the ignition control module is bad on the driver, and its also completely different than the one on the parts car. And by different, I mean the plugs are different. Parts car = square plugs Driver = round. No sign they were ever replaced (plugs). What gives? That much difference in an '87 and '88?

Otherwise, I'm getting power to the solenoid, but it wont turn over at the key. Checked the grounds, and they are good. More testing to be done. Did jump the solenoid, and it will start and run. I put it in drive and drove about a half mile. Shifts fine, brakes fine, but when i got back, all the belts are squealing, its got a real bad vibration and the trans line that runs to the bottom of the radiator (I think thats what that is) is leaking transmission fluid rapidly. Looks like it wont be moving under its own power again anytime soon. Did manage to get all the bad power switches moved over from the parts car, and they all work, other misc interior parts and small things. Im finding odd differences between the two as I work. The lady I got them from said one was manufactured in Canada and the other in the US. I laughed off her telling me they are different, but Im seeing it lots now, with certain switches, small wiring differences, etc. Is that pretty common? So odd.

Hmm....
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Welcome and good to see another DFW area FSJer on the site.
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