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View Poll Results: 230 Tornado. Good or bad?
Terrible 4 7.84%
Okay 12 23.53%
Good 18 35.29%
Great 12 23.53%
Exceptional 5 9.80%
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:24 PM
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I bought a 63 Gladiator that had a Tornado in it, with one dead cylinder. I cant say wether it was a good engine or not because I wound up swaping in a AMC 327 I had laying around. The reason behind the swap was that the cost of overhauling the Tornado was Well lets just say I could have done a whole drivetrain conversion for that kind of money. If it runs, drive it till she quits and then run like he!!. Simple items like fuel a pump or a distributor will set you back a good chunk of change if you can find one, and if you think the parts dude has a hard time with your run of the mill J series vehicle? Wait till he tries to punch in what you throw at him. "A 230 what"
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I know that for a fact. I've heard everything from, "that truck doesn't exist" to, "they didn't make OHC engines back then" to, "you mean, 232". Its a pain. About the fuel pump, Ive heard that its the same as a Chevy 6 and some small blocks. But I'm not 100% on that, mine had an electric one on it when I bought it and when it went I bought another electric.
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Old 04-05-2009, 02:11 AM
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A great conversation piece. During the summer, I drive my Waggy to work every Friday and stop at a local auto rally on the way home. And most weekends at Threshing shows. The prades are fun, usually slow moving. In first and sometimes 2nd gear with the trans case in low range, I just let it idle, without bucking or jerking it rolls along, so quiet, you have to tune your ears in to hear it running.

I had one parts kid get very angry with me. He was sick of us old guys driving old junk, comming in for parts to something we know nothing about. I stopped back a few days later, with the Waggy and a service manual. He was shocked to learn that his computers data base did not contain "Every engine ever" as he put it to me.

My Grandpa's '64 was used for plowing snow and pulling loaded wagons in and out of the fields, as well as a DD for 24 years. Now that I think about it, that Waggy never got stuck, but did pull alot of other things out of whatever they were stuck in.



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What an awesome picture

My two FSJ´s had 230´s from the factory, but came to me with V8´s. I do think the 230 is a very cool and very misanderstood engine.
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Old 04-06-2009, 03:43 PM
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What an awesome picture

My two FSJ´s had 230´s from the factory, but came to me with V8´s. I do think the 230 is a very cool and very misanderstood engine.


Ditto. "Misunderstood" is exactly it.
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First time I have seen one of these... looks amazingly like the engine in my dad's '52 Armstrong Siddeley which has an aluminium ohc Hemi IL 6 in it and goes like wind.
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I had a 64 Willy's Panel Wagon with the 230 in it and loved it. Somebody put a Holley 350 CFM 2 barrel on it and it was superb for rolling the Montana backroads. It averaged 13-15 MPG putting around and while not the torque monster, got me where I needed to go.

I think many Tornados were abused and neglected which gave the things a poor rep.
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Old 02-16-2010, 06:21 AM
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I think many Tornados were abused and neglected which gave the things a poor rep.

I guess it's fair to say that there are many other I-6 engines that withstand the abuse and neglect a lot better than the 230.
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Old 02-16-2010, 07:27 AM
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I learned to drive dad's 1964 J-200 on the farm in 1977. 3 speed on the column an manual steering/brakes. I learned how to double clutch at the age of 9!

The old truck hauled a lot of gravel, cows and locust fence posts. With the skinny tires the old truck would go about anywhere as long as you weren't in a hurry. As a kid I remember that the engine had a lot of torque but it couldn't be wound out very far.
Being in salt country the old truck is long gone - I would love to restore one someday.
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:57 AM
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hey! crossflow head design. cool. i'm learning more about the 6-bangers working on my jtrucks. i've seen a few of the tornados scrapped in the yards. very cool looking, never seen one run.

i found a j-300 outside a private scrap yard near here last week. i wouldn't be interested in it with the old axles and such. small window. a bit rusty. the old woman running the store didn't know she had a jeep truck out front. had to go look at it. i didn't check the engine, but i could go back if someone's interested.
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I've heard about the bad rep. For instance, the camshaft wore excessively. But could that be attributed to the quality of oil back then?
Yeah oil quality is much better now than in the 60's but also folks back then weren't as anal about checking/changing oil. When the oil gets low the first to suffer oil starvation is the upper end. In this case thats the cam and the 230 is prone to oil leaks so check the level often. The timing chain is a looong one and prone to stretching. It's a decent motor but needs more attention than an OHV inline. If ya already have a 230 maintain it well and you'll be fine. If you don't have one and want an I6 I wouldn't look for one though.
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I guess it's fair to say that there are many other I-6 engines that withstand the abuse and neglect a lot better than the 230.
I would say that's fairly accurate.
The 258 AMC, Willy's Super Hurricane I6, Chrysler 198/225 Leaning Tower of Power, the 250/292 Chev and the Ford 300s were all darn tough engines. I would agree that the 230 was of a more advanced design that while tough, required more care to live a long happy life in comparison.
The Colt M16 rifle is a good example. While accurate, light and deadly, it's usability declines to baseball bat status if not maintained. It's a good rifle, but only if taken care of......like the 230 was IMHO. Compared to the M1 Garand.....well........

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well i heard that when the engine was released alot of mechanical workshops did not like working on the new design of the 230 engine and preferred the standard IL 6 and this created a reputation that it was a bad engine.
also i don't know about the USA but here is Australia we have the 250 cross-flow made by ford and it has been used here since the late 60's early 70's with very similar design to the 230.
here in Australia we only got 6 cylinder ( 230 and 232 ) FSJ's from 1963-69 but we only got a total of 527 fsj's in all 6 years, but after 1970 we got the same model runs and options as you did
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I've heard about the bad rep. For instance, the camshaft wore excessively. But could that be attributed to the quality of oil back then?

with the zinc being pulled out, the case can be made that todays oil is worse for a tappet engine.

whats the replacement part market like? close to zilch? or its out there and expensive?
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If you want a gas I6 get the ford 300, Ive never found a better engine, no timing chain.
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Here is a poll about the 230 Tornado engine. Rate your opinion of it in general. I.E Drivabilty, power, torque and durabili
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I love the 230 its strong and dependable, You have to maintain it anualy to keep it strong.
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The 230 was a very advanced engine for it's time. Overhead Cam, Hemi Head, only 6 cam lobes, etc. For those reasons, I highly respect the 230. I also love the exhaust sounds it makes. I have heard issues about the timing cover leaking oil, causing the engine to run low on oil and destroy the camshaft. I think it is a very sturdy, reliable truck like engine that as long as it's oil level is closely watched, will give many years of service. The downsides to it are that it is hard to find parts for them. So to answer the poll, It's a good engine that has been given a bad reputation.
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My first 64 still had the 230, wish I had it now! From what I've read, the motor was designed around the flathead six, so the bottom end isn't too stout. And the main issues were leaks around the timing cover/ motor mounts, as well as the top bolted valve cover. Apparently, the M715 version was better engineered.
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My first 64 still had the 230, wish I had it now! From what I've read, the motor was designed around the flathead six, so the bottom end isn't too stout. And the main issues were leaks around the timing cover/ motor mounts, as well as the top bolted valve cover. Apparently, the M715 version was better engineered.

Well, it has a lot of dimensional similarity to the earlier 226 cid flathead. They will bolt in for each other. Some internal parts exchange, like main bearings.

The 226 was a very solid engine, even used in industrial service and Checker cabs into the '70s. Very durable and reliable, if not very exciting.

However, the 226 had a forged steel crank, and the 230 has a nitrided cast iron crank. Now, the cast crank was a modern idea, but I'm not convinced it was such a good idea to retain the 4-main bearing configuration with an iron crank. The new inline 6 designs from that era mostly had 7 main bearings and a cast crank...

Not a big fan of the 230, but I have never owned one. JMO - the change from the 230 to the 232 and 327 was a huge upgrade for the line. It would be interesting to know more of the inside story of the 230 - it was an ambitious design, maybe too ambitious.
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