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View Poll Results: 230 Tornado. Good or bad?
Terrible 4 7.84%
Okay 12 23.53%
Good 18 35.29%
Great 12 23.53%
Exceptional 5 9.80%
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:26 PM
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Rate the 230ci.

Here is a poll about the 230 Tornado engine. Rate your opinion of it in general. I.E Drivabilty, power, torque and durability.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:46 PM
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I had the experience with the 230 back in the mid 60's.
My father had a 2WD Wagoneer, 230/1 barrel Holley.
Good performance, fair gas mileage.
The first production ones were good, but they ran into problems when they started to mass-produce for the '63-64 run. The last ones were fairly good.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:54 PM
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Mine runs like a top. Best part is it looks so freakin' cool!
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:13 PM
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I had the experience with the 230 back in the mid 60's.
My father had a 2WD Wagoneer, 230/1 barrel Holley.
Good performance, fair gas mileage.
The first production ones were good, but they ran into problems when they started to mass-produce for the '63-64 run. The last ones were fairly good.

How much mileage did it get?
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:27 PM
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I remember 15 MPG or so.
It had a 4:09 rear, no overdrive.
The main problem was filling the tank. The vent system was not good, and you had to have the left rear high and the right front low in order to fill the tank.
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:32 PM
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I remember 15 MPG or so.
It had a 4:09 rear, no overdrive.
The main problem was filling the tank. The vent system was not good, and you had to have the left rear high and the right front low in order to fill the tank.

LOL, that is so Jeep.... every freaking Chero I had sucked like that....
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:32 PM
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That's not bad. I was wondering so I would know what to look forward too when I get mine road worthy.
Haha I'm thankful that it had the gas tank replaced before I got it.
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:37 PM
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Even back in the day, they had a terrible reputation. I did not pay much attention to anything but the CJ prior to about 1970, but there were quite a few of them still around then. The Jeep mechanics back then said this reputation was not wholly deserved. However, you could buy a 230 pickup or Wagoneer cheap, even then, and many got the small-block treatment.
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:41 PM
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I've heard about the bad rep. For instance, the camshaft wore excessively. But could that be attributed to the quality of oil back then?
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Old 04-02-2009, 08:45 PM
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Only experience I have with the 230 is driving my buddies 100% stock '715 back in the eighties. The low gears made it feel like a powerful engine but you could tell the horepower just wasn't there. Shifting the un-synchroed trans was fun too. The coolness factor is through the roof. Someday I'll have my own 230 powered early Jeep.


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Old 04-02-2009, 08:53 PM
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Wasn't it the first Hemi in an auto? Maybe I'm wrong, but it was based on a Lycoming from what I understand and thought it was the 1st auto use of Hemi pistons.
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Old 04-02-2009, 09:09 PM
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It is a serious problem...

That camshaft wear may become more of an issue with the removal by lubricant manufacturers of the zinc compounds from oil of late. It seems that such removal has seriously compromised lubricity from what I have heard. This affects all engines. BTW. It apparently is being a serious problem--particularly with GM cams and with other older engines.
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Additional thoughts on the OHC 230....

These motors had many innovative designs, and such design was associated with high-performance in general. The engines were very responsive--as by nature of their design. And some tended to push them.

My personal findings have been that those that didn't respond to such temptation generally found that the engines lasted an average amount of mileage before upper end issues became apparent.

Then there were those clowns that really wanted to "see what this mill can do"... Those cases never had a very happy ending. It seems that the bottom end of the motor couldn't support what was going on at the top end...was my take...FWIW.... Some of the failures I saw were pretty spectacular.....
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Old 04-02-2009, 09:19 PM
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Give the skinny pedal a break!

Of course any old farmer will tell you if you want to make a truck or other vehicle last...

Don't push it!

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I opened my head and said what I said...
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Old 04-02-2009, 09:38 PM
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Hemi pistons? I've never heard anything about that.

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Wasn't it the first Hemi in an auto? Maybe I'm wrong, but it was based on a Lycoming from what I understand and thought it was the 1st auto use of Hemi pistons.
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Old 04-03-2009, 01:16 AM
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Jay Leno has a 1954 Dodge station wagon with an original hemi in it, if I remember right it was a 331 C.I., Just saw it the other day on Hot Rod TV.
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The first hemis were released in 51 as 52 model 331's.
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Ok, well... first hemi truck motor then. It's been awhile since I read up on the 230.
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Yes. the 230 was a Hemi.
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I have one in my J200 and in my Panel Delivery.

I've put about 12,000 miles on the one in my J200 in the 9 years that I've owned it, and I love driving it. It's a 3-on-the-tree and is so wonderfully "truck-like". This one has a home made 6 into two header on it with dual exhaust feeding into a 2-in, 2-out Magnaflow muffler. It's got a really unique exhaust note.

It's certainly no hot rod, and I don't drive it as such. I rarely wind it up over 3500 when I shift, and don't push it much over 60 on the highway (this is a 2WD truck with 4.10 gears). I get between 12 and 14 mpg pretty much no matter the driving conditions.

It has 57,000 miles on it and as far as I know, has not had any major overhaul work done. It uses a bit of oil between burning it and leaking it, but it still runs reliably. I've drivin it on a several fairly long drives (220 miles in a day) and it's done fine. But with sloppy manual steering, manual brakes, 7.00-15 bias ply Super Traction snow tires and just the fact that it's a 46 year old truck, it's WORK to drive it. So I wouldn't want to have it as a daily driver. It's a BLAST to drive when I WANT to, but kind of a pain to drive when I HAVE to. And the "gee-whiz" factor when I open the hood for people is right off the chart!
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