Anybody (tad) read the PSC welding post on pirate and co4x4.org?

[Max Power]

mostly a he said she said thing, but it basically boils down to the following question...

"is this a safe weld?"

http://rbk3.com/fsj/junkyard/psc%20pic.jpg

I would be interested in opinions from certified welders.

heres the whole post, get comfortable, 6 pages on pirate.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=230754

and co4x4.org, only 3 pages.

http://www.colorado4x4.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=008437;p=1

tia,
Robert

anyone who wants to can post this pic, I can rebuild my carb, but can never remember how to post pics here.

[ March 17, 2004, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: Coach McGuirk ]

[mountainlander]

Holy smokes that is some scary scary scary caulking gun welding.......

[Chevelleguy]

It looks like individual spot welds overlaping. The 'stacked dimes' should over lap enough to cover the center pin hole. Maybe Tad will chime in.

[ March 17, 2004, 07:04 PM: Message edited by: chevelleguy ]

[robselina]

i'd like to see some more overlap on those 'dimes' or better yet a continuous bead...I'm kinda surprised they'd post this as an example of their work....

[ March 17, 2004, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: robselina ]

[AMC258]

I'm no fabricator, but, as was stated by several people on PBB, those welds are scary, and so is the lack of triangulation of the cage, but like I said, I'm no fabricator.

[Tad]

Actually J10/J20 Project started this same thread over in Gen Disc about a week ago.

http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=021473#000000

It's refered to as stitch welding by some and backstep by others (imporperly).

I don't really see the need for it in that application but don't doubt the integrity of Poison Spider products.

I do think it's pretty goofy, but some folks actually care about that bling crap.

[blt2krl]

that was a waste of my time(all except the talk about the welds ) ...Really don't see a point of starting our own thread on crappy PSC this and crappy PSC that. I agree with Billavista 100%

Coach I made my point more clear [img]smile.gif[/img] Sometimes I forget to type words on the screen.

[ March 17, 2004, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: blt2krl ]

[Max Power]

well shut my mouth, guess I'll be using the search button in the future.

Thanx for chiming in on this Tad. I've been following the CO4x4.org thread for a while now, and after I read your Pig abuse post I decided that I wanted to hear your thoughts. (and now I have, twice!)

bltk - I don't kno enough to say whats crappy and whats not, and I don't kno any of the 'welders' who responded on the other threads. But I have read enough of Tads posts to respect and seek his opinion.

[ March 17, 2004, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Coach McGuirk ]

[robselina]

Originally posted by tadsal:

I do think it's pretty goofy, but some folks actually care about that bling crap.

this is true; looks matter to some people. If I were paying out that kind of $$$ for a custom cage, I'd want real beads, but it wasn't for me and I'm betting it would hold up...

[kyjman]

IMO I think the stitch welds will hold ok for the intended use of this type of roll bar.....ie.....looks for the streets.......Most folks underestimate the holding power of a well placed weld. I dont know the tecno specs but I've tack welded some very large and heavy trusses, then flipped them over to fit up the other side of the truss, with only those tack welds holding it. I've never had one fail and cause a problem.

[ironroad29]

sorry i couln't stand to read it all ,did clifton ever rear his head?

[mountainlander]

Yes he did. Basically he said, "I get my boys from WyoTech, and thats how they're taught. I've rolled 3 times with welds like that and haven't broken anything yet."

He also said the project took alot longer than it was supposed to, they screwed up on that.

[JeepsAndGuns]

While everyone else is looking at the welds, I am looking at the saw blade looking flames welded up there too. That is a hole in the head waiting to happen.

[jeepsr4ever]

no havent seen that post [img]smile.gif[/img]

[jeepsr4ever]

Beign a certified welder I can tell you that its just a ornamental weld but still might be enough, but by the sounds of it it wasnt enough because it was cracking. How much of a warrantee can you put on a cage after 2 years though?