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Old 08-01-2012, 04:28 PM
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Are the frames the same?

On a 83 J10 and a 89 grand wagoneer?
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:33 PM
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Dont believe so - Different
maybe someone else will chime in.

Also consider whether your J10 is a long wheel base longbed or short wheel base shortbed
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:46 PM
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NOPE! Besides the fact that the Wag has a 109" wheelbase (measurement from the center of the front wheels to the center of the rear wheels... essentially) and the J10 has either a 122" or 133" Wheelbase, the rear of the J10 splays out wider then the Wagoneer. The front of both frames is the same up to the front body mounts and even the middle body mounts will line up (even though the frame is wider, the mounting horns are shorter, making up for the difference).

You didn't tell why, but I am curious.

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Old 08-01-2012, 05:00 PM
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That sucks.

My J10 has a 7 foot bed, overall length is roughly 16 feet.

When I got it the PO told me that the PO to him was barreling through the woods and hit a tree on the right front at about 20 mph. So I stumbled upon a guy on craigslist that was parting out a wag so I got the front end off him but nothing lines up the way it should, starting to think the frame was pushed over the more I mess around with it. Either that or when it hit the cab of the truck moved around on its mounts causing nothing to line up.

I was just cruising around craigslist and found an 89 grand wag listed so I figured I would ask.

I have somewhere around 875 bucks wrapped up in my J10 as is. I like it and would like to keep it but id also like the front end to line up. Im not asking for perfect panel alignment, I just want the holes to be lined up so it will atleast be secure. The radiator/headlight/turn signal/ grill mount (not sure what the proper name for it is) is about 2 inches off from the holes lining up so right now everything is just sitting in place. Then I measured the drivers side outter frame horn out to the outside of the fender, did the same for the passenger side and there is almost a 3 inch difference.
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:12 PM
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This is the frame measurements as per the 1980 TSM. 119" wheel base. I hope it is big enough to read the dimensions. If not, you might be able to save the picture and enlarge it.

This might help seeing where it is bent.

I put a 1984 J10 frame under my 80 J10 and they were identical.

Hope this helps.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:24 PM
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If it hit as hard as you say, I can guarantee the frame is now somewhat out of shape.
Check the distance from the edge of the fender to the tire on each corner.
The damage will be obvious, as the measurements will not be the same from side to side.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:58 AM
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Try loosening the cab mounts and see if you can turn it enough to line things up.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:24 AM
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I'd like to do a frame swap on mine. All the J-10's I've seen have had bad frame rust. Any Chevy/Ford frames useable on a J-10?
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J Trucks had different wheelbases in different years some were 119/120 some were 126...some were 131/132. the 1973-ish and newer were 119 and 131. the pre 1973=ish were 120,126,132.

Now that that is out of the way...The wags are different: 108/109. The frame is the same width all the way back...(roughly) whereas the Jtruck frames do widen out a bit past the rear J-truck cab mounts. You can adapt /cut/ weld, add enough metal in the wag frame to work under a J10, but I only recommed this kind of thing if you are thoroughly knowledgable in welding frames together and have experience. Buggery welds and crap penetration is a sure way to break a frame and possibly die/kill somebody on the road.

Front frame differences - front spring pack mounts were on the outside of the front frame rails from 1962-1974, but under the frame-rails thereafter.
Front cab mount was in a different position (farther back, I believe) on pre-1974 frames due to the rear spring pivot for the front leaf pack being in the way.

You all can put ANY frame under ANY body with enough cutting/welding/ adapting. Grab a tape measure and go find out.

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This is the frame measurements as per the 1980 TSM. 119" wheel base. I hope it is big enough to read the dimensions. If not, you might be able to save the picture and enlarge it.

This might help seeing where it is bent.

I put a 1984 J10 frame under my 80 J10 and they were identical.

Hope this helps.

Old post, I know. But does anyone have this frame picture and dimensions in a file that is more legible?
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