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Old 08-01-2009, 11:02 AM
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Brake hardware for '67 J3000 dually

In my quest for parts for the rear brakes on the dually I have found shoes and wheel cylinders but still need drums, seals and hardware kits. I've been searching on the net but nothing yet. Any suggestions will help keep the 'ol girl on the road and safe!
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Old 08-01-2009, 01:05 PM
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Do you have any part numbers? anything at all may help me locate what you need.

There is a local place here that has alot of NOS parts that are in buildings that are falling down, but I am sure there are 100 of everything that you need...just finding them.

let me know and I will see what I can do.

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Old 08-02-2009, 02:25 PM
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I should be able to get part #'s shortly. Another member has offered to look them up and I have bought a parts book, but haven't received it yet. I'll send the numbers to you as soon as I get them.

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Old 08-02-2009, 04:21 PM
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From Page 247-248

The rear drums are # 943518
The gasket, drum to hub is # 943997
The seal is # 918405
The gasket, axle shaft to drive flange is # 918410

Brake assemblies are on page 222 but I'm not exactly sure what they are describing.
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:51 PM
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Didn't reply when you stated you obtained the parts book.
Obviously in transit.
Part # for rear drum is 919657, as per parts books issued June, 1967, and November, 1968.
Also lists part # 943518 as an option.
Hub and drum numbers are not the same in both books.
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Old 08-02-2009, 05:16 PM
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Good catch.
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Old 08-02-2009, 05:37 PM
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So what do you suppose might be the difference between 943518 and 919657? My drums are 13" dia. and shoes are 13" X2.5" . Is there a listing for the adjuster parts, springs, linkages, etc.? I hope to be able to look it up myself soon, but I'm curious about the smaller pieces. Haven't found anybody with a listing for those yet.
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According to the parts book, the difference is the drum is from another vendor. Therefore, there should be only a visual difference, the fit should be the same.
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:13 PM
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So what do you suppose might be the difference between 943518 and 919657? My drums are 13" dia. and shoes are 13" X2.5" . Is there a listing for the adjuster parts, springs, linkages, etc.? I hope to be able to look it up myself soon, but I'm curious about the smaller pieces. Haven't found anybody with a listing for those yet.

I couln't sort out the small bits from the other axles Jim... possibly it uses the same adjusters and springs...
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:43 PM
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Thanks guys! I'll compare the numbers and other info to the other information I have and can get and see what I come up with. The help available here never ceases to amaze me! I may also check on some of the other truck sites since the D70 was used in a lot of trucks/duallies of that era.
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:46 PM
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Have you been on the M715 zone at all? If you need drums I'm sure they can help you source some and I wouldn't say NOS is out of the question.
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Old 08-02-2009, 08:07 PM
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I was browsing over there after my last post! As I learned from you, that site is a great resource due to common parts. I haven't been able to cross any part numbers yet, but I haven't given up. I have checked with a couple of places that stock parts for the M715 and found drums for them however due to the outboard mounting of the drums on an M715 I don't think they will help me. the local napa jobber ran out of options and asked for the factory part # hence my need for a parts manual. After learning of the differences between the D70 's on Jtrucks and M715's I'm hoping I don't have to go that far.



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Have you been on the M715 zone at all? If you need drums I'm sure they can help you source some and I wouldn't say NOS is out of the question.
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I checked the 1986 NAPA brake master catalog.
No drums listed then, so it doesn't look good.
I can suggest you try the Obsolete Jeep Parts place in Bradenton, Florida.
Another try would be Bennett Hill Services.
Either one may be able to steer you in the right direction.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:08 PM
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Dana has all the numbers if you can get ahold of somebody who knows there stuff and will take the time. The late "Drover" Dennis ran an operation in Australia and had a rep he used and sourced all the part numbers for stuff that most of us couldn't obtain. The data and a lot of the parts are still available, Dennis is the one who sorted out the pinion offset differences, between the M715 and the Jeep dually, for me. Look up parts sources at the zone for drums.
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Old 08-03-2009, 06:57 PM
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Hmm, guess I was sitting right next to a M715 parts list here... didn't know I had that one. On the M715 it lists the hub with the drum for the rear and there are different part numbers for each side.
Left Rear Assembly = 65909-946003
Right Rear Assembly = 65909-946004

There is a break down of parts beyond the shoes. I can scan that if you want but there is no diagram for the brake bits, only descriptions.

Ah, now I have a schematic also. I'll scan these for you and post them here...
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:28 PM
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Thanks Elliott. I'll have to compare all of the numbers I have and take them to the parts store to look in the books of parts that are still available from various sources. I need to determine if any of the M715 parts interchange with the other D70 parts. There seems to be a better supply of M715 parts out there. I went to pull the wheels off of my truck and took my 4 way lug wrench forgetting that the lug nuts are 1", so I came home without any new info. I also got a copy of the parts manual for M715's from the Zone.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:57 AM
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I received my parts manual today. Thanks Russell.

The part numbers for the drums are 8.245-2 943-518 and 8.245-2 919-657

It looks like the two#'s are interchangeable.
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Old 08-08-2009, 10:19 AM
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Now that I've looked at the parts manual I'm confused about the hardware such as springs, pins, clips and adjusters for the drw. It looks like there is no separate listing for the drw trucks. I can't help but wonder if they just left that out or if you actually use the same parts shown for some of the other axles. The diagrams are the same. The only differences shown are for the axles that have automatic adjusting brakes, non-auto adjusting and the differences for trucks with T/C mounted e-brakes(mine has it). Is it possible that the 13" brakes use the same hardware as the 11" & 12." I left my book at the office and I'll scan the pages and post later today I hope.
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Old 08-08-2009, 08:01 PM
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Here's a copy of the page from the parts manual for the brake drums:




You'll have to click on it to be able to read it.
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