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Old 02-01-2012, 07:24 PM
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Expedition trailer build...pic heavy

Finally feeling a little better so I started to build an expedition type trailer based on an old US Army M416 1/4 ton trailer.

Here is what I have to start with:


Part of the goal for this build is to end up with a trailer to haul spare parts, supplies and camping gear while keeping the bed of the J10 nice and empty. My main goal is to have the trailer itself function as a tent platform that can be set up and torn down quickly.

A lot of guys install a roof top tent on their trailer costing well over $1k.


That's not an option for me so I'm taking a slightly different approach and sticking with the military theme. I'll be using an Army pup tent, AKA shelter halves, and making a collapsible frame to hang the canvas on.

Apparently I'm not the only one to have this idea. Found this on The CJ2a Page forums. I might do something different with the canvas but this is almost exactly what I'm trying to do:
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Old 02-01-2012, 07:31 PM
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Cant wait to see the pics...
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Old 02-01-2012, 07:42 PM
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The first step in the build is to get rid of the racks. An afternoon with a cutoff wheel took care of that problem:





Next step is to fabricate a tailgate. Just so happened to find an old Ford tailgate. Almost a perfect fit but it looks like some trimming will be necessary.



That's about where I left off tonight. Will post up when I make some more progress.
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Old 02-01-2012, 07:45 PM
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I've been thinking of something like the middle picture but with a wagoneer shell. Gut the Jeep, put propane under the hood, have the doors or maybe for front two (this would be a 4 door) pull out like file cabnet drawers or like RV slide outs to house the "kitchen" on one side and shower/sink on the other side. Inside, one the pullouts are our, would nice and roomy for sleeping or whar ever. Spare part storage for small parts can be a box made where the spare tire would go, behind the rear axle with the opening in the cargo area. Other longer spare parts could be mounted under the body between the frames, thus helping keep the center of g low. Large tent on the roof to fold out over one side so make a "porch" below.

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Subscribed. I want to see how this ends up. very interested.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:20 PM
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I've been thinking of something like the middle picture but with a wagoneer shell. Gut the Jeep, put propane under the hood, have the doors or maybe for front two (this would be a 4 door) pull out like file cabnet drawers or like RV slide outs to house the "kitchen" on one side and shower/sink on the other side. Inside, one the pullouts are our, would nice and roomy for sleeping or whar ever. Spare part storage for small parts can be a box made where the spare tire would go, behind the rear axle with the opening in the cargo area. Other longer spare parts could be mounted under the body between the frames, thus helping keep the center of g low. Large tent on the roof to fold out over one side so make a "porch" below.

Just a thought though

Sounds like it would be a pretty cool rig. Would love to see the finished product if you ever decide to build it up.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:21 PM
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Hey man...

First and foremost, great to hear you are feeling a little better! I can't wait to see how this puppy turns out...
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:25 AM
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I have a very similar plan for my trailer, but my trailer is so darn rusty, I have to rebuild it structurally first. Awaiting your build.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:59 AM
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I expect the plates on the sides of your trailer were there to reinforce the cut-out tailgate. The Bantam TC-3 had a tailgate, and it had extra panels to keep the sides vertical when the tailgate is open.



I think you need something besides your Ford tailgate to keep the sides vertical.

Cool project! I'd love to find a 1/4 ton trailer for me.
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Good to see you feeling better Sean. Nice project. I bet you could haul a couple QuadraTracs in that thing to Ouray for an offering.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:38 AM
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First and foremost, great to hear you are feeling a little better! I can't wait to see how this puppy turns out...

Thanks! Not out of the woods yet but a whole lot better than I was a month ago

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I expect the plates on the sides of your trailer were there to reinforce the cut-out tailgate. The Bantam TC-3 had a tailgate, and it had extra panels to keep the sides vertical when the tailgate is open.

I think you need something besides your Ford tailgate to keep the sides vertical.

Cool project! I'd love to find a 1/4 ton trailer for me.

Thanks! Yeah, the sides still flop around a little bit if you man handle it even with those reinforcements. I was thinking of cutting those off then cutting them up so they'll match the contour of the inside of the trailer body, then weld in place. Kind of like what this guy did:


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Good to see you feeling better Sean. Nice project. I bet you could haul a couple QuadraTracs in that thing to Ouray for an offering.

For the longest time the trailer has been my workbench, it gave birth to the blue QT
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:47 AM
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1. Glad to hear your feeling better!
2. Don't over do it
3. I don't know if you followed Doc-14s build over on pirate, so here's a link

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1015979
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Nice! this is precisely similar to the plans I have if i decide not to go with a lil pop-up!

Maybe if yours comes out awesome i can convince the woman to let me go this route....
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I hate it when people "bubba" these trailers by cutting out the tailgate. It is a real waste.

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1. Glad to hear your feeling better!
2. Don't over do it
3. I don't know if you followed Doc-14s build over on pirate, so here's a link

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1015979

That's a pretty neat build, dunno of many camper shells that would fit the M416 or I might go that route.

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I hate it when people "bubba" these trailers by cutting out the tailgate. It is a real waste.

Yeah, me too. Always seems that they go for the tailgate, then the lunette and the lights. I really like how your restoration came out. Did you go thru and replace the brake shoes? If so where did you source them?
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The shelter halves came in so I mocked everything up on the M416. I had a bunch of tent poles laying around from a couple of tents that lost a battle with the wind so I used those for the frame.





I didn't have the canvas on straight but it was enough to get a feel for the project. Lots of room on the inside however I need to come up with a sturdier frame or get some heavy duty tent poles if I decide to go that route.

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Glad you're feeling better, but that trailer doesn't look anything like an Expedition. I drive one at work and I can tell...



I do think you're on to something tho, lots of potential there.
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Glad you're feeling better, but that trailer doesn't look anything like an Expedition. I drive one at work and I can tell...

Thanks! I believe they call it an expedition trailer due to it being in the upper weight range of what an Expedition can pull. j/k

Speaking of towing I have a bit of a dilemma. The previous owner of the trailer hacked off the lunette ring then welded a driveshaft over the lunette shaft. So far it's worked great but the last person that borrowed the trailer broke it while backing up.


I'd like to replace it with a reproduction lunette but my J10 does not have a receiver hitch. Is a there a way to put a pintle hitch on a step bumper without hacking it up?



If I don't go the pintle route I'm going to go with the Max Coupler. It attaches to the tow vehicle in place of a trailer ball. Found a write-up on this device in either JP mag or 4WD mag.
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Yeah, me too. Always seems that they go for the tailgate, then the lunette and the lights. I really like how your restoration came out. Did you go thru and replace the brake shoes? If so where did you source them?[/quote]

I did not replace the brake shoes as the PO had just gone through the wheel bearings and the whole assembly

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Got a little more work done to it since I last posted.

Welded in some steel connectors for 1/2" EMT conduit to hold the frame work for the tent


Used 1/2" EMT conduit for the framework. Came out WAY better than the tent poles


When it's done there will be bungees or ratchet straps holding the tent down so it's nice and tight. The loops for the tent stakes actually line up perfect with the metal tie down hoops for the canvas transport top






Turns out the shelter halves are a few inches shorter in length than the body of the M416. It ended up working to my advantage because it puts a lot of tension on the frame work so the canvas is nice and tight.

Still have a lot of work to do: tailgate needs to be fabricated, gotta make a rack to hold the jerry cans, interior has to be cleaned up and covered with DIY bedliner. Also have a pair of 40MM ammo cans that need to mounted for storage of the shelter halves while not in use, after that a new set of NDT tires and a canvas transport top to top it all off with.
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