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Old 11-30-2019, 09:04 PM
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Hellwagon

You guys have probably seen this before but maybe some haven't.


A Grand Wagoneer with a 6.4L Hellcat engine - 700 or so HP!


It's one sweet Wagoneer.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk0lxLzOVpw
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Old 12-01-2019, 12:23 AM
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Holy moly. Insane might be accurate. That shop is spending cash like a blast furnace fed by money. Nice burnout out on the road. And jumping the RR tracks. Hope it is his.
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Old 12-02-2019, 04:46 PM
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Yeah, that rig is amazing. AAND amazingly expensive.
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Old 12-04-2019, 09:15 AM
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Ive been doing the wrong engine in my rig the whole time!!!

That is crazy cool though!
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:56 AM
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Come on . Cherokee 7.4 liter
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Old 12-04-2019, 05:05 PM
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Seems odd to me that someone would put that much effort and spend that kind of money on a wagoneer and not put a psi trac rear end in it but I watched over and over and at around 5:30 into the video it certainly looks to be a one wheel burnout.
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Old 12-05-2019, 01:06 AM
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If that was the first burn out in the parking lot after leaving the garage, yes it was a one wheeled wonder. Only later out on the road did it look like a little sideways drift. When he was cowering thinking he found a cop. But yes I agree. Why stop at the engine with all that.
Maybe they weren't done with the build yet. I could not believe the body off wrenching on the 2020 Gladiator in the opposite bay. I guess money gives you choices. Wow...
I used to have 2 Buick 455 engines. I was going to put one of them into my 69 X model. One was an early one with 370 HP and 510 TQ stock. All the while getting maybe 6 miles to the gallon. I decided an LS motor would provide tire smoke and maybe 16 miles to the gallon. Then I grew up a little bit. Only a little bit... I still think about it. And I am getting ready to blow the dust off it and move it to the shop.
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Old 12-05-2019, 08:11 AM
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A Hellcat in a GW would be a fun ride but is gonna start breaking if

they don't upgrade the rest of the drive train. Same with the 6.4 at 500 hp or the 5.7 with nearly 400 hp like I run. Whoever buys it better expect to spend mo money.
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Old 12-05-2019, 04:09 PM
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I can't help but be impressed by the Hellcat engine. The kid in me really wants to do that. A while back there were two low mileage wrecked hellcats at my local Copart and I tried to talk my wife into letting me spend the $24,000 to buy one to put in her Mercedes but she wouldn't go for it, so I tried to talk her into letting me get it for my truck but still no go.



I just feel if you are building something that is really just to do burnouts and act stupid at least make it do two wheel burnouts. As impressive as it is I think given my preferences I'd go LS over Hellcat though.
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Old 12-05-2019, 11:26 PM
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I am with you. A hellcrate is a 707hp motor with a factory warranty!! It is also daily driver reliable. That is amazing. I think a hellcrate is much less than $24k but you do not get the trans you would get with a wrecked hellcat.

https://collinsbrosjeep.com/the-hellcrate-1/

And to think it’s only 50% more money than Cummins R2.8.
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Old 12-06-2019, 07:30 AM
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Yes figure engine alone is $1700 plus power steering, plus alternator, plus wiring harness, plus transmission etc and it's easy to reach that $24,000 figure.
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Old 12-07-2019, 08:51 AM
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That's way too much money for a Hellcrate. You can find them way cheaper if you know where to look.
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I talked to a Mopar parts man just last week who said he had 2 complete hellcats in his stock at 24-26k. But the real kicker was the 29-30k 1000 hp one he had ordered for a customer; so serious was Mopar that they insisted on confirming with the customer the order was real. It is.
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the collins jeep site
shows them for sale at 14,500. or 16,500 can't remember.
but I imagine that just gets you started on the install.

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Come on . Cherokee 7.4 liter

Exactly.


I used to have 2 Buick 455 engines. I was going to put one of them into my 69 X model


Back in 87-ish, can't remember exactly, when I started my 82 Wag tow vehicle project, I tried to stuff a 500 Caddy motor under the hood. Actually had it hanging in the engine bay. Decided it was to much work to remove heater box and get a smaller brake booster to make it fit. Decided to go with 454 cause it fit and I could have overdrive. If Dodge had an overdrive for a 440 back then, the 89 would have a 440 in it today.

The Hemi and the LS motors are awesome engines. Most people spending that kind of money on a Wagoneer with a hellcat in it would probably crap their pants if they actually did a burn out.
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Old 12-11-2019, 05:28 PM
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...Most people spending that kind of money on a Wagoneer with a hellcat in it would probably crap their pants if they actually did a burn out.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! SOOOOOoooooooooooo true!!! LOL!!!! They just want to say "Yeah, Bro, it's not a Wagoneer, its a Hellwagon! Dude, it's got 700HP!!"

There is so much more to Gen 3 Hemi's and LSs than just the power compared to our old AMC/Buick V8s. They are lighter, they are much more tune'able, the transmission choices are much better, they last a lot longer, and most of their parts are on the shelf at your local McParts (and the dealer if you are in a pinch). They run soooo smooth, too. Now they are so common, you can get them almost as cheap as an AMC 360 (I have seen complete 5.3's for $500 on my local Craigslist). The only down side to them anymore is the complexity. But with the aftermarket stepping up, that's not even really an issue anymore. I think you could swap in a decent running LS/Hemi for about the same cost as a good AMC V8 rebuild (and cheaper than what I did in my build).
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Being a total rookie at rebuilding old vehicles I just assumed the way to go was to rebuild my original 360. I'm for sure not a purest numbers matching guy. Glad some guys are into that. For me its your jeep do what you want with it. Cherokee Chief badge on a Wagoneer, sure. Long story short I kinda wish I would have looked for a ls to swap into my Wagoneer. On the plus side if I do another vehicle I will be that much more skilled.
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Recently it took all my will power to not buy a Javelin that was missing the engine.
In a matter of minutes I convinced myself that this would be the perfect opportunity
to do a ls swap! It was a hard fought battle but I came to my senses. I'm really enjoying working on the Wagoneer and don't need the distractions of another
project. Plus seems like my area is never short on projects vehicle to purchase.
Still really like those Javelins seems like an affordable muscle car.
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I think you could swap in a decent running LS/Hemi for about the same cost as a good AMC V8 rebuild (and cheaper than what I did in my build).


Sometimes I regret not doing just that when I had my engine rebuilt. I could have bought a wrecked LS1 Corvette with 50,000 miles for less than I spent on rebuilding my original AMC engine.


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Recently it took all my will power to not buy a Javelin that was missing the engine.
In a matter of minutes I convinced myself that this would be the perfect opportunity
to do a ls swap! It was a hard fought battle but I came to my senses. I'm really enjoying working on the Wagoneer and don't need the distractions of another
project. Plus seems like my area is never short on projects vehicle to purchase.
Still really like those Javelins seems like an affordable muscle car.


Several times I've had to stop myself from buying Javelins, I think an LS would be a good swap for one.
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