International Full Size Jeep Association
Home Forums Reader's Rigs Tech Library Trail Stories FSJ-List
International Full Size Jeep Association  

Go Back   International Full Size Jeep Association > Tire Kickin' > Build Threads

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #381  
Old 12-03-2019, 12:19 PM
Wagoneer Taylor's Avatar
Wagoneer Taylor Wagoneer Taylor is offline
258 I6
 
Join Date: Dec 17, 2018
Location: OR
Posts: 293
Awesome stuff Rang, great to see someone still making progress hahaha!

Also you could always try a steam cleaner/water vacuum whatever they are called on the door panels rather then risk the washing machine?
__________________
Some call me Taylor

1977 Jeep Wagoneer (Wedding Wagon)
Soon to be a 401!
Reply With Quote
  #382  
Old 12-15-2019, 06:58 PM
rang-a-stang's Avatar
rang-a-stang rang-a-stang is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 31, 2016
Location: Camarillo, CA
Posts: 3,003
Quote:
Originally Posted by mwood65
Man I love those seat covers! Would kill for a pair of those....no, seriously I would. You got anyone causing you problems man, we could work out a deal...
PM sent... LOL!
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOLSAKS
I think they will come clean.
I always liked the way the used pattern from seats on door panels.
I would have never thought the emoting came after the panels were assembled.
coming along great rang !
dave in NC
I agree! I think it looks really cool going up the door.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wagoneer Taylor
Awesome stuff Rang, great to see someone still making progress hahaha!

Also you could always try a steam cleaner/water vacuum whatever they are called on the door panels rather then risk the washing machine?
Ha! You're getting a house! No matter how much work I put into this turd, it's not a house.

I gottem clean and have them sitting aside while I work on other things. I am happy with how they came out though.
*************************************
Took the doors off and rebuilt the drivers side hinge. That was WAY too easy. Maybe I made it out to be more than it is in my head because I expected it to take a while but it was super easy. No juicy pictures; They were worn but not shockingly worn or anything.

Then I set about getting the doors apart. I got the holes from my old elephant ear mirrors all welded up.

I will rattle can them for now just to seal it up but I do not plan to spend much time smoothing it out.

Next I pulled out my vent window so I can replace the runner. look how bad this thing was compared to my new one.


I also chiseled the old window seal out. It was ROCK hard, like working with charcoal. This is what came out. Notice all the sharp edges and also notice there is not much there. A lot had already fallen out over the last few years.


Under the window scrapers and the vent window seal there was still some original Cherokee Chief sticker left over. I thought that was kind of cool.


Last part of disassembly, I removed the door handle and lock cylinder so I could put a gasket on there. Of all the gasket that should be there (you can see the new ones there), what I have circled in red is all that was left!


Last thing I did was wash out the interior of the door with warm soapy water. I ordered some cheap sound deadener from Amazon to put in the doors and I want to make sure it is clean so the sound deadener will stick.

So between the worn bushings on the hinges, the rattling door handles/Lock cylinder, the rock hard window seal that rattled inside the door frame, the almost missing window scrapers that allowed the window to rattle, and the runner with no fuzz that also allowed the window to rattle, my door sounded like World War 3. I hope with all these new rubber parts and sound deadener, it should be MUCH better. I plan to get my driver door hung back up and mostly put back together and will repeat all this (other than the runner and the hinges) to the passenger side. Then I'll get my vinyls back on, too.

I've also been working on my tailgate a little.
Tailgate Thread
__________________
79 Cherokee Chief, barely runs
(Cherokee Build Thread)
11 Nissan Pathfinder Silver Edition 4x4
09 Mazdaspeed3 Grand Touring
Reply With Quote
  #383  
Old 12-15-2019, 07:26 PM
ddversatile's Avatar
ddversatile ddversatile is offline
232 I6
 
Join Date: Oct 08, 2017
Location: Alberta
Posts: 49
My window wipes werent as rotten as yours, but they fought tooth and nail to come out. I put new lock cylinder grommets from Bj's but they were a bit big and fell off, the door handle ones are great though.

Looking fantastic!
__________________
1968 Jeep Gladiator J-3000 327 Vigilante V8, T-18 transmission, Dana 20 Transfer Case (Twin Stick), Dana 44 full float in the front and semi float 53 in the rear. 4.09 axles
1972 GMC 1500 basket-case (300$ buy )
Reply With Quote
  #384  
Old 12-15-2019, 09:46 PM
63J200atLSU's Avatar
63J200atLSU 63J200atLSU is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Jan 15, 2016
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
Posts: 543
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddversatile
My window wipes werent as rotten as yours, but they fought tooth and nail to come out. I put new lock cylinder grommets from Bj's but they were a bit big and fell off, the door handle ones are great though.

Looking fantastic!

So I encountered the same problem with the door lock cylinger gaskets. I ended up modeling the gasket in solidworks and then 3d printed it in PLU filament, which has the consistency of an accessory belt when it prints. Very tough with just enough flexibility. I still have the files if you'd like to take a stab at it. I may also have another couple of the gaskets on my desk, I'll check and see.
__________________
'63 J200 Resto-mod in progress
(http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=178651)

If all goes well, we can toast to accidental successes.

I'm convinced I'm just too dumb to know that I can't restore this old truck...
Reply With Quote
  #385  
Old 12-16-2019, 09:29 AM
Wagoneer Taylor's Avatar
Wagoneer Taylor Wagoneer Taylor is offline
258 I6
 
Join Date: Dec 17, 2018
Location: OR
Posts: 293
Great stuff Marc! Loved the comment about "rattling like World War 3"!

Can't wait to get to all this stuff on my rig, especially cuz you guys have all done it already and i have step by step instructions
__________________
Some call me Taylor

1977 Jeep Wagoneer (Wedding Wagon)
Soon to be a 401!
Reply With Quote
  #386  
Old 12-16-2019, 09:37 AM
SOLSAKS's Avatar
SOLSAKS SOLSAKS is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Jul 25, 2016
Location: Benson. NC
Posts: 946
nice work rang,...it will make a big difference for sure.

on door handle gaskets

for my wagoner project I had an NOS set and BJ set

the BJ set was much better than NOS,...go figure.

dave in NC
__________________
SOLSAKS - dave
1976 J-10 HONCHO Fleetside
1982 J-10 Fleetside
1988 grand wagoneer
2004 RUBICON jeep
Benson, NC
Reply With Quote
  #387  
Old 12-16-2019, 10:46 AM
bluehwy's Avatar
bluehwy bluehwy is offline
232 I6
 
Join Date: Apr 28, 2014
Location: Paso Robles, CA
Posts: 100
My wipes were as bad, worse to nonexistent... and I'm just the opposite on the mirrors. I want big aftermarket mirrors.
__________________
Previous: 1988 Grand Wagoneer
Current: 1979 Wagoneer

"Well I've been down so GD long! and it looks like up to me..." Furry Lewis
Reply With Quote
  #388  
Old 12-16-2019, 10:55 AM
63J200atLSU's Avatar
63J200atLSU 63J200atLSU is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Jan 15, 2016
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
Posts: 543
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOLSAKS
nice work rang,...it will make a big difference for sure.

on door handle gaskets

for my wagoner project I had an NOS set and BJ set

the BJ set was much better than NOS,...go figure.

dave in NC

I think the issue is just the flange of the lock cylinder must have changed at some point because the ID of the gasket flange is about the ae as the OD of the lock cylinder flange on the old rigs. Definitely not interchangable across the entire year range, which is a bummer...
__________________
'63 J200 Resto-mod in progress
(http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=178651)

If all goes well, we can toast to accidental successes.

I'm convinced I'm just too dumb to know that I can't restore this old truck...
Reply With Quote
  #389  
Old 12-16-2019, 10:55 AM
63J200atLSU's Avatar
63J200atLSU 63J200atLSU is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Jan 15, 2016
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
Posts: 543
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOLSAKS
nice work rang,...it will make a big difference for sure.

on door handle gaskets

for my wagoner project I had an NOS set and BJ set

the BJ set was much better than NOS,...go figure.

dave in NC

I think the issue is just the flange of the lock cylinder must have changed at some point because the ID of the gasket flange is about the ae as the OD of the lock cylinder flange on the old rigs. Definitely not interchangable across the entire year range, which is a bummer...
__________________
'63 J200 Resto-mod in progress
(http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=178651)

If all goes well, we can toast to accidental successes.

I'm convinced I'm just too dumb to know that I can't restore this old truck...
Reply With Quote
  #390  
Old 12-16-2019, 12:28 PM
rang-a-stang's Avatar
rang-a-stang rang-a-stang is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 31, 2016
Location: Camarillo, CA
Posts: 3,003
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddversatile
My window wipes werent as rotten as yours, but they fought tooth and nail to come out. I put new lock cylinder grommets from Bj's but they were a bit big and fell off, the door handle ones are great though.
...
Hm. When I mocked the door lock cylinder gasket it fit like a glove but the door handle ones looked sloppy. We'll see how they fit (hopefully) tonight.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 63J200atLSU
So I encountered the same problem with the door lock cylinger gaskets. I ended up modeling the gasket in solidworks and then 3d printed it in PLU filament, which has the consistency of an accessory belt when it prints. Very tough with just enough flexibility. I still have the files if you'd like to take a stab at it. I may also have another couple of the gaskets on my desk, I'll check and see.
Thanks for the offer, Greg. I think this one will fit. I'll take a good picture of them all when they are together and we'll see if I have the same tumbler as you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wagoneer Taylor
Great stuff Marc! Loved the comment about "rattling like World War 3"!
Can't wait to get to all this stuff on my rig, especially cuz you guys have all done it already and i have step by step instructions
Don't take ANYTHING as step by step unless you want to have to do things over and over because you did it wrong the first time! Hhahaha!
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOLSAKS
nice work rang,...it will make a big difference for sure.
on door handle gaskets
for my wagoner project I had an NOS set and BJ set
the BJ set was much better than NOS,...go figure.
dave in NC
Haha! Figures! I bet if it was NOS from the 60's it would be really nice, NOS from the 80's not so much. hahaha! I was reading Towtruck's thread about painting his truck and he says:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Towtruck
... Again, the left half is original '81, and the right half is from an early 70's truck. The early metal stampings are much nicer than the later ones, by the way...
I wonder if your gaskets are similiar?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluehwy
My wipes were as bad, worse to nonexistent... and I'm just the opposite on the mirrors. I want big aftermarket mirrors.
I didn't have a problem with the way the mirrors looked and I like bigger mirrors, too. Mine were just useless. You can see them in the early parts of this thread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 63J200atLSU
I think the issue is just the flange of the lock cylinder must have changed at some point because the ID of the gasket flange is about the ae as the OD of the lock cylinder flange on the old rigs. Definitely not interchangable across the entire year range, which is a bummer...
Possibly! I'll do a better job of checking mine out tonight when I get home.
__________________
79 Cherokee Chief, barely runs
(Cherokee Build Thread)
11 Nissan Pathfinder Silver Edition 4x4
09 Mazdaspeed3 Grand Touring
Reply With Quote
  #391  
Old 12-25-2019, 10:14 AM
78 WIDETRAC's Avatar
78 WIDETRAC 78 WIDETRAC is offline
258 I6
 
Join Date: Aug 19, 2003
Location: Portland, Or
Posts: 453
Rang. On the very first page of this build you have the front clip off. Are those rock laurence SSR brackets on the frame mounting the front springs?
Reply With Quote
  #392  
Old 12-25-2019, 10:27 AM
rang-a-stang's Avatar
rang-a-stang rang-a-stang is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 31, 2016
Location: Camarillo, CA
Posts: 3,003
Quote:
Originally Posted by 78 WIDETRAC
Rang. On the very first page of this build you have the front clip off. Are those rock laurence SSR brackets on the frame mounting the front springs?
Indeed! I love them. I added my own structure in between and the tow hitch.
__________________
79 Cherokee Chief, barely runs
(Cherokee Build Thread)
11 Nissan Pathfinder Silver Edition 4x4
09 Mazdaspeed3 Grand Touring

Last edited by rang-a-stang : 12-25-2019 at 05:27 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #393  
Old 12-25-2019, 12:45 PM
bkilby's Avatar
bkilby bkilby is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Jan 10, 2016
Location: Burbank Ca.
Posts: 854
You know, after looking at his FSSR again, I think my rig can use that mod. I had to put longer shackles in the front to help raise it but I don't like the way it handles. It can stand to go higher too. For $200, it'll be worth it until it goes coilovers. Lol.
__________________
1974 Cherokee S. It's driving but needs more work. As usual!
Reply With Quote
  #394  
Old 12-25-2019, 05:26 PM
rang-a-stang's Avatar
rang-a-stang rang-a-stang is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 31, 2016
Location: Camarillo, CA
Posts: 3,003
$200 + $150 for a driveshaft and $30 for brake lines.
__________________
79 Cherokee Chief, barely runs
(Cherokee Build Thread)
11 Nissan Pathfinder Silver Edition 4x4
09 Mazdaspeed3 Grand Touring
Reply With Quote
  #395  
Old 12-25-2019, 10:08 PM
bkilby's Avatar
bkilby bkilby is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Jan 10, 2016
Location: Burbank Ca.
Posts: 854
I already have the brake lines installed. Shocks too. Front DS is custom, might work. If not, I'll get it resized. I've done shackle reversals on CJs and YJ's before. I could make my own brackets if I had more time too.
__________________
1974 Cherokee S. It's driving but needs more work. As usual!
Reply With Quote
  #396  
Old 12-26-2019, 09:22 PM
rang-a-stang's Avatar
rang-a-stang rang-a-stang is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 31, 2016
Location: Camarillo, CA
Posts: 3,003
Passenger door: Check!

Put new gaskets on the door handles and key hole on my passenger door, then installed the door and alinged it. I also bought some of cheap amazon sound deadener (This stuff) and installed that.
Here are the door lock tumblers with the gaskets installed.


Then I put the window channel in, then the window, then the scrapers. Then I adjusted the window so it went up and down square.
Next up I made a moisture barrier out of 3.5 mil plastic sheeting. I tried to match the pattern that the factory had.

Earlier this week I took my door cards and vinyls to the interior shop that did my seat cover and they wrapped the vinyls around the door cards. They came out AWESOME! I had to drill the holes to install the chrome trim. From the factory, all 4 chrome pieces were in different spots so I took my sweet time drilling the holes. First I put a piece of tape down, then measured and marked. When I went to drill the holes, I heated my drill bit with my MAP torch because I didn't want to tear the vinyl as it went through.


On the driver side where the mirror control bezel is, I could not re-use the little metal plate. The ABS is too thick. I feel comfortable just using the speed nuts though because the ABS is so much more firm.

Hung the door card on the door and aligned it. Then took it off, put Velcro down either side of the door to keep the sides stuck on, and reinstalled the door card.

Then I installed everything and ended up with this:

When it closes it's nice solid "THUCK" rather than the old "BLackakak". Super stoked. I am not sure what I am going to do about speakers yet so that hole is going to stay like that. I can't install my old speaker covers but the black hole does not bug me that much, really. Passenger door, done!

Then I moved on to the driver side Vent window. Full Size Jeeper sent me some of his left over rivets from doing his door channels (THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH DARIN).

First I trimmed the heads off the stock rivets using a dremel with a cuttoff wheel and dissembled everything. Uneventful. Then I started fitting stuff up. I decided to do the brackets at the bottom of the channel to try out my rivet smashing process before moving on to the vent window.

Here's what worked for me. First I found an old bolt in my magic bolt box that just fit inside the channel. I put that in a vice:

Then I put the rivets through the holes they would reside in and the supported the whole assembly on that bolt (The rivet head was on the bolt). My grandfather was a machinist and I have a few of his old tools so I poked around in those and found a manual rivet setter in his stash that worked perfect!

I would set both rivets with the driver, then pound them flat with a ball peen hammer.

Worked great on the 2 lower brackets.

Then on to the vent window. I bent the upper bracket out and riveted the top on just like Full Size Jeeper did in his build. Then I bent the bracket back into shape and realized I forgot to install the chrome strip. DANG IT!
Ground off the 2 rivets I just set and started on the window again. This time I put the chrome strip on, riveted the top, moved to the bottom and riveted it on, and I start feeling some victory....but I can't get the seals back in. Then I realize I put the chrome strip on upside down.
I asked for 9 rivets from Full Size Jeeper, and he sent me ~16. So at this point, I am looking at my pile of rivets and I have 3 left. But I have to fix this. So I grind the 4 rivets off AGAIN, flip the chrome strip, and rivet it all back down but I was one rivet short. I started cleaning up my mess for the day to come in and as I picked up some tools, there was one more rivet sitting there! YYEESSSsssss.... Installed the rivet, installed the seals, installed the vent window back in the door, and cleaned up for the night. Hopefully I can finish my driver door tomorrow after work.
__________________
79 Cherokee Chief, barely runs
(Cherokee Build Thread)
11 Nissan Pathfinder Silver Edition 4x4
09 Mazdaspeed3 Grand Touring
Reply With Quote
  #397  
Old 12-26-2019, 10:42 PM
FleetFox FleetFox is offline
232 I6
 
Join Date: Apr 04, 2018
Location: Blue Ridge Mountains
Posts: 110
Oh we have all been here.... Sometimes I have to go sit in the quiet place... Watching you closely here. These vent windows are coming up on my list/

Fleet Fox
Reply With Quote
  #398  
Old 12-27-2019, 01:14 AM
Full Size Jeeper's Avatar
Full Size Jeeper Full Size Jeeper is offline
304 AMC
 
Join Date: Jul 20, 2014
Location: Mandeville Louisiana
Posts: 1,956
I sent you 18 rivets! No telling what happened to the other 2. Did you eat them? LOL!!! Glad you got it knocked out!
__________________
1978 Wagoneer

401/turbo 400 trans. Quadra-Trac BW1339 (with Low) 4" Rusty's lift with 31" Summit Mud Dawgs

Mods:
Fuel Tank, Red Holley Fuel Pump, Razor Grill (profile pic out dated), Rebuilt steering box
Reply With Quote
  #399  
Old 12-27-2019, 06:30 AM
rws31's Avatar
rws31 rws31 is offline
232 I6
 
Join Date: Dec 10, 2016
Location: Florida
Posts: 180
Major PITA.

Major accomplishment though. Nice work. Love that nice sound of a newly rebuilt door closing.
__________________
89 GW, 454, 700R4, 241C, 411's with posi's, 9" rearend, 2500 stall, lifted, and lots more to do.
1988 Ramcharger
1999 International 4700 Crew Cab 4X4, custom step side bed
2003 Durango 4x4
1982 CJ7 4 banger
2008 MB E320 Bluetec
Reply With Quote
  #400  
Old 12-27-2019, 10:12 AM
63J200atLSU's Avatar
63J200atLSU 63J200atLSU is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Jan 15, 2016
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
Posts: 543
DUDE!

Those came out great. "Little" things like thunking doors will make you smile every time you get in the truck. Actually reminds me I need to do a little work on my driver door alignment...

Glad to see you got your vent windows all back together, yet another part of my job I need to work on a little more...
__________________
'63 J200 Resto-mod in progress
(http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=178651)

If all goes well, we can toast to accidental successes.

I'm convinced I'm just too dumb to know that I can't restore this old truck...
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2009 Summer Event Sponsorships Announcement (ECI / Etc.) billyrb General FSJ Discussion 6 05-14-2009 01:03 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
corner corner