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  • SC/397
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    • Feb 01, 2010
    • 1024

    #61
    Originally posted by DarkMonohue
    Sorry, I guess I wasn't very clear. I am aware that the oil slot issue must be corrected on any timing set. My question was whether the true double roller design was less prone to stretch or wear than a Morse style setup like the SA set your customer supplied for this build.
    That is a good question.. I don't claim to be a timing chain expert at all but, I have noticed and have been surprised how much the double roller chains stretch without having too many miles on them. However, those were in engines that were drag raced and ran hard. Counter to that, I have noticed that the replacement single roller-type doesn't seem to streatch as much with more miles on them.... in a normal usage engine. The problem is, I am compairing apples to oranges in the two different type of engine usage. Sorry but, don't have a definitive answer on that one.
    The Squeaky Wheel gets replaced in my world

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    • DarkMonohue
      Shakes hands with danger
      • Jul 01, 2012
      • 1145

      #62
      No problem. It would be tough to get an objective sample with such different usage.
      '85 J20 Old Man Truck, bought @ 65K miles - not great, but better than walking.
      Member, FSJ Prissy Restoration Association
      High quality junk here: intro thread and slow build thread

      Did you know? Willys is just Willis spelled differently, but pronounced the same. Neither Willy nor his apostrophe are involved.

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      • babywag
        out of order
        • Jun 08, 2005
        • 10288

        #63
        What style is the stock chain in say '86-up motors.
        Every one I've had apart was stretched a bunch.
        Tony
        88 GW, 67 J3000, 07 Magnum SRT8

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        • SC/397
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          • Feb 01, 2010
          • 1024

          #64
          Originally posted by babywag
          What style is the stock chain in say '86-up motors.
          Every one I've had apart was stretched a bunch.
          I was thinking that they were all the same with the nylon gears with exception of the heavy duy stuff. Like I mentioned, they were a consumable component like valve seals. You replaced them at like 60,000 miles. No different than todays engines with timing belts (except they go 3-4 times longer) LOL!
          The Squeaky Wheel gets replaced in my world

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          • babywag
            out of order
            • Jun 08, 2005
            • 10288

            #65
            I believe they stopped using nylon gears in 80's?
            Last 2 I had apart had OE part#'s and were not nylon.
            ('86 & '88)
            Tony
            88 GW, 67 J3000, 07 Magnum SRT8

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            • SC/397
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              • Feb 01, 2010
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              #66
              Originally posted by babywag
              I believe they stopped using nylon gears in 80's?
              Last 2 I had apart had OE part#'s and were not nylon.
              ('86 & '88)
              Looks like you are right and my assumption is wrong.. I will clean this up when I get all of the info but here are some of the part numbers and notes.

              Yes, It appears they did change. Current (1991) Numbers are:
              J3234234 Cam Sprocket .50” Wide Steel Gear
              J3234235 Crank Sprocket
              J3234433 Chain

              J3223199 Crank Sprocket .62” Wide
              J3197138 Cam Sprocket is .62” Wide.

              J3185270 is the oldest Chain no idea
              J8134343 is .62” Wide (31834343) Nylon Gear

              Last edited by SC/397; 04-13-2016, 07:55 AM.
              The Squeaky Wheel gets replaced in my world

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              • SC/397
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                • Feb 01, 2010
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                #67
                Back on track now. I watched the Machinist check the balance of the crank after I whittled on it and it was OK, better than stock. He didn't even charge me for it. Next, is detailing the timing cover etc. etc.
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                • SC/397
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                  • Feb 01, 2010
                  • 1024

                  #68
                  Water pump, timing cover, oil pick-up screen, and oil pan installed last night.

                  The Squeaky Wheel gets replaced in my world

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                  • DarkMonohue
                    Shakes hands with danger
                    • Jul 01, 2012
                    • 1145

                    #69
                    Looking good. Is that the real-deal AMC paint you were gauging support for in another thread?
                    '85 J20 Old Man Truck, bought @ 65K miles - not great, but better than walking.
                    Member, FSJ Prissy Restoration Association
                    High quality junk here: intro thread and slow build thread

                    Did you know? Willys is just Willis spelled differently, but pronounced the same. Neither Willy nor his apostrophe are involved.

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                    • SC/397
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                      • Feb 01, 2010
                      • 1024

                      #70
                      Originally posted by DarkMonohue
                      Looking good. Is that the real-deal AMC paint you were gauging support for in another thread?
                      No, it is a generic Dupli-Color engine color called "Torque 'N' Teal". I am using it as a base coat under the AMC engine blue color . The stuff covers really well. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/shw-de1643/overview/

                      I traded emails with Amark, the vendor who was supplying the Late '73-'83 AMC Engine color and he is re-stocking. So, I refer people to go to him now.
                      Last edited by SC/397; 04-28-2016, 11:27 AM.
                      The Squeaky Wheel gets replaced in my world

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                      • DarkMonohue
                        Shakes hands with danger
                        • Jul 01, 2012
                        • 1145

                        #71
                        Thanks. I have had good results with a lot of Dupli-Color products in the past. That is probably close enough for a beater pickup. Either way, it will be interesting to compare it to the correct color once you get it applied.
                        '85 J20 Old Man Truck, bought @ 65K miles - not great, but better than walking.
                        Member, FSJ Prissy Restoration Association
                        High quality junk here: intro thread and slow build thread

                        Did you know? Willys is just Willis spelled differently, but pronounced the same. Neither Willy nor his apostrophe are involved.

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                        • SC/397
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                          • Feb 01, 2010
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                          #72
                          Final torqued the timing cover bolts, oil pan bolts, and got the heads bolted on. Got a coat of paint on it too!
                          The Squeaky Wheel gets replaced in my world

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                          • Nikkormat
                            232 I6
                            • Jan 03, 2015
                            • 143

                            #73
                            It's been 10 days... How does it run!

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                            • SC/397
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                              • Feb 01, 2010
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                              #74
                              I know! life got in the way and I won't be able to get back on it until next week....
                              The Squeaky Wheel gets replaced in my world

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                              • Bearman
                                232 I6
                                • Jan 16, 2014
                                • 47

                                #75
                                I have a mechanic friend that has been telling me I would be much happier with my engine if I got the compression up. When I showed him your your write up he was really braggin on it. I plan to do the piston swap on my 360 like yours. Thanks for taking the time to do a write up and making it simple so people like me understand what's going on.
                                81' Jeep J10 currently restoring piece by piece

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