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Old 10-24-2002, 04:33 PM
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I've heard people who've actually welded thier diffs who like it a lot. I've heard people who really don't like it too.
I'll be driving on the street and want to hear from people who've done this.
Mainly I want to lock it up for Moab. A local shop here said they have done it for a few guys with no beefs. He said it all depends on tire size and driving habits.
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Old 10-24-2002, 09:45 PM
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i like it. it chirps going around corners, but it's worth it for the offroad stuff.
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Old 10-24-2002, 10:59 PM
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I put a locker in the rear and welded the front. But I have lockout hubs, so I guess that doesent help you. I like mine alot though. Alot cheaper than a locker. But with the QT case, I would think the front would be a steering nightmare. Never done the back. Sorry
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Old 10-25-2002, 12:45 AM
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It's a nice inexpensive option, but it's not great as a daily driver. I have detroits in the front and rear and it's hard to pull out into traffic without losing a lot of tread. Also, if you drive it in the winter, you'll have a hell of a time on ice and slippery conditions.
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Old 10-25-2002, 02:26 AM
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Hmmm... looks like I might just stay open 'till I can afford an OX locker. It snows a lot in Utah. The Greatest Snow On Earth!
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:16 AM
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Weld it up man and don't look back. I have a spool and I love the offroad abilites a vehicle gains with locked diffs. You will love a locked rearend in Moab.
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Old 10-25-2002, 05:57 AM
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I welded mine (front and rear) before the axle swap and loved it... The snow and ice is different at first but you get use to it.
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Old 10-25-2002, 06:15 AM
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Ya, you get used to it fast. My Dad has his 71 chevy welded and it works a lot better in the snow up there in cache county right above you. I plan on welding up mine...if I ever get a chance...
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Old 10-25-2002, 06:35 AM
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Anybody got a Qtrac BW1339 with a welded rear and doing highway driving? I am think about it for my Wag, but I still need to drive it to the trail

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Old 10-25-2002, 07:45 AM
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my front spiders are welded, but I have locking hubs so I don't notice anything on the street.

snow and ice are a big deal, lockers are different, especially on ice. if it's your DD I would advise ARB's or Ox's for selectivity.

if the Jeep only sees occasional road time, weld it. off-road traction is unreal, and you'll wonder how you lived without it..
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Old 10-25-2002, 10:09 AM
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I locked my AMC20 rear diff and love it. I call it my 15 dollar Miller Locker cuz that's what I paid for the GO and I used a Millermatic instead of a Lincoln welder. You can see some pix in the sig link. I also welded up Big Red's rear 44 for him and he likes it also. You can go places in 2WD where the normal 4WD would have problems.

I guess one of the reasons I welded it is because they don't make a spool for an AMC20 at this time and welding was my next cheap option. Talk about the most bang for your buck, this is it.

A note on the 35" tires. They will rub under flex on a NT, not to shure about a WT. When I had 31" on my rig the leading edge rubbed with only a 3" body lift. The wells are just not wide enouph. Cutting sheet metal comes next.
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Old 10-25-2002, 11:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by mtn goat:
Ya, you get used to it fast. My Dad has his 71 chevy welded and it works a lot better in the snow up there in cache county right above you. I plan on welding up mine...if I ever get a chance...
Ya Chet, me thinking same, let' do yours first in case we screw it up.
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Old 10-25-2002, 11:12 AM
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I locked my AMC20 rear diff and love it.
Bob, what I would really like to know is how did it act on the highway, say on a nice long trip, with maybe some curving asphalt roads thrown in for good measure?
Chet, just funnin there, we could knock this out in a morning.
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Old 10-25-2002, 12:45 PM
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i've driven my locked J10 from tennessee to ohio. bout a 350 mile drive. on long roads, at high speeds (even with some curves thrown in ala kentucky coal roads), there's no real noticeable affects. it's when you try and park or turn at intersections that the welded diff becomes noticeable.
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Old 10-25-2002, 12:46 PM
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I've drove mine on the highway and didn't notice a difference.
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Old 10-25-2002, 05:25 PM
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Tad, sounds great...Lets see how bobs behaved on the way to Ouray. like I said, my dads is welded and I couldnt tell...even on the snow...except he didnt get stuck AND I DID. both chevys though
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Old 10-26-2002, 12:36 AM
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Chet, you got it, gonna wire my garage for 220 by Xmas so I can bring home the big welders for some projects anyway.
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Old 10-26-2002, 01:05 AM
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irbob,
how big or how small of a welder would work for this? My friend has a nice miller mig welder, but i'm not sure if it would do the job or not. do you need a heavy duty welder to weld the spiders? thanks.
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Old 10-26-2002, 02:18 AM
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Guys I drove it 750 miles to Ouray and didn't even know it was welded. Like mentioned the only time is when cornering and even then it was just a little chirp here and there.

I used my Millermatic 172 W/gas, 220v on it's highest setting. My opinion is that if your welder will "WELD" it is large enough. You may have to run a couple beads but the main thing is to get the surface extreemly clean. Use a cleaner that leaves no residue and your set.

If you Tucson guys want to have a differential welding party let me know. I will bring my welder up and melt some steel. Just need a dryer outlet within 80 feet of any diff.
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Old 10-26-2002, 02:49 AM
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thanks! i've wanted to have a locker in the rear for a long time. does breakclean leave a residue?
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