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Old 01-28-2012, 10:30 PM
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got the frame plating almost done, front spring mounts are made and the holes for the rear shackle mounts have been drilled. Got my springs back, they replaced the bottom three on each and rearched them more tomorrow





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Old 02-11-2012, 10:36 AM
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woo! made it to the second page! Life has been catching up to me, it has a way of doing that, so I do not have as much done on Alice as I would like, but here are some updates via photo enjoy!







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Old 03-12-2012, 07:41 PM
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Funny how life has a way of getting in the way of life. I had to take a month off from forward progress, two fuel pumps burned out in the same week on family daily drivers, new lights were put in the whole shop so everything had to remain out for that. Rental properties had to be repaired. And I had a loss in the family, some things, not many, are more important than Jeeps. But now she is back in the shop. Today I got everything back in working order and started making the support for my goose neck receiver. I also took a shot of the gauges I purchased last month, I finally opened the package and the tanks I will be using for the on board air

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Old 03-13-2012, 03:03 PM
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Nice. Glad you're back on track.

I'm using an old propane bottle, about twice the size of one on a bbq, for my onboard air. Are you going to use the AC compressor on the engine for your compressor?

Thems perty gauges.

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Old 03-13-2012, 08:06 PM
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Nice. Glad you're back on track.

I'm using an old propane bottle, about twice the size of one on a bbq, for my onboard air. Are you going to use the AC compressor on the engine for your compressor?

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Thank you sir, your build is coming along nicely, and watching your progress over the last month has been pure torture for me. I would say lets race to see who gets their jeep done first, however I am at the opposite end of retirement.... I am going to get a York a/c compressor and mount it on the engine, I kept the v belt pulley from the snow plow setup that came on the Dodge. The York's have their own separate oil reservoir for cooling the compressor instead of using free-on. Are you still planning on modifying your stock compressor?
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Old 03-13-2012, 08:36 PM
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Actually, I thought the ac compressor on Cummins was a York. I guess I should have looked at it by now.

Hmm, time to go shopping for a York 210

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Old 03-18-2012, 07:20 PM
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Actually, I thought the ac compressor on Cummins was a York. I guess I should have looked at it by now.

Hmm, time to go shopping for a York 210

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Yea, I have an extensive list of things to gather from the junk yard (including a york 210) now that the weather has gotten a bit warmer, one of these weekends....

Today I got the cross member mounts for the goose neck hitch fabricated and tacked to the frame. I bolted everything together, placed the bed back on the frame, marked the hole, then started drilling. The bed is now on my trailer awaiting delivery to my paint guy next week. Next on the list: Cummins mounting
Sorry for the poor cell phone photos, I forgot my camera...




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Old 03-27-2012, 09:16 AM
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Once I find the camera I will upload the pictures of last weeks progress: I moved somethings around and have prepped for the first engine placement. The engine mount cross member has some shim plates made, The Jeep frame is 1/4" wider than the Dodge. This past week end I worked at the Finger Lakes International Wine Competition. All of this funds Camp Good Days and Special Times, check them out sometime they really do change peoples lives, even if it is only for a week. So instead of wrenching all weekend I donated some time to a good cause and drank wine for 2 days straight.... The plan is to have the Cummins located on the frame so I can send the the cab out by this weekend.... a man can dream cant he?
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Old 04-02-2012, 08:08 PM
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Ok, I found the camera. A pic from last weekend with the gooseneck mount


Then I decided to build the truck backwards


Then I added 1/8" plate to each side of the dodge engine mount to make it wedge between the frame of the Jeep....



Then I made the shackles quick and bolted them on to get my engine position set...


Then the Cummins took flight...


Then Landed with my best guess for location....



My custom unistrut mount to get the trans case low enough to set the cab back on, the stock support is about too far forward...





and right about here I had to leave and go to the family Easter party. The suspense is killing me!

I plan on placing the cab back on its mounts, shifting the engine as far back, and as high as possible to clear the radiator, and the differential. Worst case, I will have to get some blocks for the axle and make some engine mounts on the frame instead of using the cross member from the Dodge due to the fact that it hangs lower than the engine and might interfere with the pumpkin if I happen to encounter a large enough hole... my goal is to keep the truck from getting too high off of the ground, I like a little lift, however I am building this truck to do quite a bit of towing, so keeping my center of gravity at a reasonable level will help. That and jumping into a daily, or near daily, driver can get old...

The man I bought this truck from found me on facebook recently and has clued me in on a 65 Gladiator not far from here....I will call tomorrow and see if it has fewer holes through it than mine does...
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Old 04-02-2012, 08:41 PM
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:38 AM
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This past weekend I got the motor positioned where it needs to be on the frame. Now I need to make a few adjustments. Once I get my camera back I will go into some more detail, but I think a few more inches of lift are instore for Alice...

Now it comes to the radiator... Stock, the truck came with a 3 core 17"x22" in decent shape.. only problem is the outlets are only 1.5".... I know there are a ton of posts and threads about this same topic and soon I will have a full writeup on the research/future plans to keep this beast cool. For now its back to work, and later, back to welding... ah the things we do to drive Jeeps....
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:10 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if a stock V8 sized radiator would be plenty to keep the Cummins cool. The more efficient an engine, the less heat it throws into the cooling system. A Cummins is arguably pretty close in displacements and power output to a AMC V8, but a heck of a lot more efficient.
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:24 AM
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my stock v8 radiator keeps my 6cyl cummins cool. only time the electric fan comes on is in hot summer traffic or towing up grades. no mech fan either.
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:53 PM
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I know the Cummins is a cool running motor and very efficient, in my mind its the only option for a diesel, I just want to build everything up now while I can plan for it. One day if all goes well I would like to get a larger turbo, P-Pump, injectors, and a jake brake. So I might as well build it big now or design it to easily accommodate a larger cooling system if needed. Hopefully I will have some pics up tomorrow sometime...
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I am using the stock 360 rad for my Cummins swap! Spent some time on the Cummins forums researching the issue. Lots of people were using their stock rads for swaps.
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RW, a question on the gauges. Is the glass flat or domed?
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RW, a question on the gauges. Is the glass flat or domed?

The glass is domed. Cant wait to put them in. Need to know anything else?
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:28 PM
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All right, I know that one of the main concerns when doing this swap is keeping this engine cool so here are some specs and details from searching around on this site and others.

Stock Dodge radiators:

1990 Dodge W250 Standard(w/o inter-cooler) - 15.75" x 30.25" x 1.5" (2 Core)
1994 Dodge Ram 2500 (w/ inter-cooler) - 36" x 19.25" x 2.25"
1999 Dodge Ram 2500 (w/ inter-cooler) - 36" x 19.25" x 2.25"

Stock Jeep radiators:

258 six cylinder - 16.25” x 24.25” x 1.25”
360 V8 -15.875” x 26” x 2” (3 core)
-or- -15.875” x 26” x 2.625” (4 core)

I know there are some differences through the years but these are the most common and best numbers for "approximate" measurements for Jeeps

Radiators different members have used in their 6bt swaps:

Budojeepr - Flex a lite 56000L - 26” x 18” x 3.75”
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...=131069&page=3

Resbum - Flex a lite 58000 - 33.625” x18.5” x 3.75” 2 core
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...=151930&page=2

Mikel - Summint Racing - 27” x 19.625” x 2.25” 2 core
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...=131069&page=3 - (post#29)

Several others are using stock radiators and claim to have no issues keeping this engine cool no matter how/where they drive or what they are pulling. Most people have an electric fan setup of some sort, commonly from a Taurus or a few from an XJ.

I do believe I am satisfied. My stock radiator should work just fine....for now







Many people have done this swap and left the stock radiator from their 360 or even 258 motors and have not had any problems.
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Great post full of good info for people doing swaps. Thanks for taking the time.

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Great post full of good info for people doing swaps. Thanks for taking the time.

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no problem, i know i am not the only one who has done that, I will add to it as time goes on and I find more info/links. Just trying to give back for all the knowlege you and others have shared with me.
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