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Old 04-26-2005, 12:50 AM
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Hey All,
Hope someone can help me. I'm considering either replacing my blown engine in my 84 gw with a remanufactured engine or doing a local rebuild. From threads here I learned of some good reman engines (like Jasper) but alot of people recommended getting a good local rebuild shop to do it. Despite the good warranty, I don't want to pay the exorbadent price for a Jasper ($3,100) expecially considering that alot of the components that come with a Jasper (like water pump, fuel pump, hoses, etc) I don't need. I just need a long block to switch into my grand wag. Here's my problem. Never having used a rebuild shop, how do I know whether the rebuild shop is going to do a good job? If anyone can clue me on on what questions I should ask them, or what parts I need to get new, or any other advice, I would appreciate it. By the way, I plan on keeping my jeep for the long haul.

Also, I am trying to find a good reputable shop in south Florida that's been around for awhile. And has anybody had any experience with Powerpro, who wants $1,600 for a 360 longblock.

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Old 04-26-2005, 01:04 AM
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Hey,
check your local BBB.

Also, in the general section, post 'Need good shop in Lauderdale FL to rebuild my engine'. This will get more people to see what you are looking for and you might get a good response (or even better, a warning!!)
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:57 AM
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Hi duckjeep,

do a forum search on powerpro, there are many reports on these engines.

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Old 04-26-2005, 02:10 AM
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$3,100.00 for a Jasper long block??? Holy shnikees!!

Is that what they're getting for 360CID's? I'd shop around.

I know it's not the same engine, but my 258 rebuild was 1,200.00 from Recon.
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Old 04-26-2005, 02:18 AM
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Maybe the Jasper price included installation?

I somehow missed the part of your post that mentioned Powerpro. That is who Advance Autoparts uses as their supplier. I bought a Recon rebuild from Advance for my Wrangler 3 years ago. It's held up well (although I did have to use the warranty about 15 miles into the installation. They used the wrong size head bolts and I blew a head gasket right after the installation). I'm wondering if PowerPro is the same outfit, just rebadged?

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Old 04-26-2005, 02:19 AM
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Check these guys out. http://www.sandsengines.com/#
I bought mine from them a year ago and motor is great. Cost about 1600 with freight to NY.
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Old 04-26-2005, 02:27 AM
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For me, Jasper was at around $4000.
Mechanics around me wanted $3700 for a block from the dealer.

I started thinking that the dealer was taking a commission on what he was getting from Chrysler. Chrysler is a company building new cars. I doubt they are interested into remanufacturing old engines like the AMC 360. I believe they outsource all their work to someone else. My current guess is that this someone else is S&S engine.

I hesitated between powerpro & S&S engine, and finally went with S&S engine for ~$1330 for a long block and $170 shipping to california. Ordered block on Monday, received in my garage on Thursday. When I called to order, they made sure of which bolts my exhaust manifolds are equipped (all same, or a mix).

The block is still on its crate, so so far the only thing I could say about its quality is that oil has leaked on the crate proving that they tested it under oil pressure after remanufacturing it.

S&S engine is at: S&S engine general site
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Old 04-26-2005, 02:30 AM
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Funny: your www.sandsengine.com is the same company as my S&S: they have the same phone number: (800) 942-7800
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Old 04-26-2005, 03:52 AM
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For me, Jasper was at around $4000.
Mechanics around me wanted $3700 for a block from the dealer.

I started thinking that the dealer was taking a commission on what he was getting from Chrysler. Chrysler is a company building new cars. I doubt they are interested into remanufacturing old engines like the AMC 360. I believe they outsource all their work to someone else. My current guess is that this someone else is S&S engine.

I hesitated between powerpro & S&S engine, and finally went with S&S engine for ~$1330 for a long block and $170 shipping to california. Ordered block on Monday, received in my garage on Thursday. When I called to order, they made sure of which bolts my exhaust manifolds are equipped (all same, or a mix).

The block is still on its crate, so so far the only thing I could say about its quality is that oil has leaked on the crate proving that they tested it under oil pressure after remanufacturing it.

S&S engine is at: S&S engine general site
S&S worked out well for me, and yes that is the same company. Very knowledgeable and friendly and you get simulated oil pressure tests with the motor.
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Old 04-26-2005, 04:10 AM
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My price for a Jasper 360, installed, was $3200 in 1997.
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Old 04-26-2005, 04:26 AM
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Very knowledgeable and friendly and you get simulated oil pressure tests with the motor.
Just exactly how do you simulate an oil pressure test? Do you simulate adding oil to the engine before you simulate spinning the engine up to simulate taking simulated oil pressure readings.
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Old 04-26-2005, 04:30 AM
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</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Very knowledgeable and friendly and you get simulated oil pressure tests with the motor.
Just exactly how do you simulate an oil pressure test? Do you simulate adding oil to the engine before you simulate spinning the engine up to simulate taking simulated oil pressure readings.
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</font>[/quote]All I can say is on a sheet of paper were the words Sim Test 47 PSI. Look real official like, oil and all on it.
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Old 04-26-2005, 05:10 AM
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Will e, Thanks I posted in General about a shop in Ft. Laud. Good idea.

Pman, the $3100 price didn't include install, my mechanic wanted $800 for that, although I know another mechanic who wants $450.

Jan, yeah I did a forum search for Powerpro but must be hitting the wrong keyword combos to come up with anything useful so far.

Thanks for the info guys. Anyone know what a rebuild would cost? Online Jasper engine was $2,870, Autoparts4Jeep.com (didn't say man. name) wanted $1,339, Powerpro $1,599.
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Old 04-26-2005, 06:50 AM
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Hi duckjeep,

I get like 60 hits with a search for "powerpro" in general FSJ tech. There were two recent threads on powerpro in the mailing list as well, in one the warranty was honored, in the other it was not, but a bad oil filter turned out to be the problem. The overall ratings were positive.

On S&S I found less information, the engines seem to be generally ok, but I recall reading about two cases in which the engine died very soon and one case in which the warranty was not honored.

I contacted both poerpro and S&S, they do not do any modifications to their engines. This is why I will go with a local rebuild of my old engine, which is otherwise slightly more expensive and will give you less of a warranty.

Reading the smallprint of the warranty, the powerpro warranty seemed to be better to me.

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Old 04-26-2005, 07:06 AM
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Jan,
Well, duh, I was doing an internet search and not here. Thanks for cluing me in. I like the idea of a local rebuild just so I have someone local to complain to if something fails. I got referred to one that gives a year warranty and for $300 he'll give me a 3 year warranty.

When you say "modifications" do you mean that they don't allow mods to their engines or it invalidates their warranties?

Aside from a rebuilder using my core, what does a remanufacturer do to their engines that is different than what a good local rebuilder might do? From threads, people have said that the rebuilder should use reputable parts. Do you have any clue what those would be? Like any particular rebuild kits. Also, should I be insisting on getting a new camshaft versus a retooled one? Others threads, people were talking about putting on a new timing cover and oil pump housing.

Jan, any info on this is greatly appreciated.
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Old 04-26-2005, 07:22 AM
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When I did the rebuild to the 360 in my 73, I did the removal/disassembly and reassembly/replacement myself. I had a local machine shop do the block, crank, and heads. I researched (here) what parts to use and not use extensively before diving in although it's been a few years and I can't remember exactly what I used. As others have said, check with your local BBB and see if any particular shops have any feedback good or bad. With all the machine shop work and parts, I still came in under $1000 for my rebuild.
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Old 04-26-2005, 03:58 PM
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Hi duckjeep,

both powerpro and S&S said that they would not do any mods at all.

I am far from being an expert, but what I want to do to my engine (or have done) is

- the bulltear high performance timing chain cover/ oil pump (325 $ compared to 200 $ for the standard one).

- the American Performance (thanks J4Grand !) rear oiling kit, for 26 $ (part number hopefully MOKV8)

- an RV cam, eventually high compression pistons. There are several kits available at prices from 400 to 800 $

- degrate the standard intake (I will need to move back to CA later this year, where other intakes & carbs are illegal). Might do that myself, depends on what they want.

Regarding the crankshaft, I will probably need a new one.

The machine shop I went to will have a look at the block and tell me then what I need (overbore, etc.). There is a risk that the block is not rebuildable, but I know that my block did not seize and did not overheat, and running engines or rebuildable blocks are 100 to 200 $, I nave had several offers so far.

Hope that helps, I should get more info these days.

Cheers

Jan

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Old 04-27-2005, 06:16 AM
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Jan, Thanks for info.

Does anyone out there know what rebuild kits I would want my rebuilder to use? Or any other absolutely necessary things I should ask to see if my rebuilder does or should do?
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Old 04-27-2005, 01:15 PM
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well the edelbrock will flow better at any speed, the stock one is heavy but for idle to 5 it will do ok, it is not a raceing intake, but under normal driveing it does fine.
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oh ps. this is the spred bore intake too.
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