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View Poll Results: Automatic or Manual with granny gear.
Automatic 151 48.40%
Manual with Granny 161 51.60%
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:28 PM
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If you a burning up clutches at that rate, the gearing in the diffs is likely way too tall. As for stopping on a hill, just turn the key off while you are moving, and you are parked. To start up the hill again, just start it in gear. Works for me anyway

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Old 10-26-2008, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 83 BEAST
i'd say auto. my buddy has a manual and he does some pretty fun stuff in his jeep and goes through a clutch a year if he's lucky (some times more). auto you don't have to worry about it and it's a lot easier if you have to stop on a hill. and you woun't stall. just my $0.02.

Yeah, his gearing is way off if thats the case. And as mentioned above, I do the same thing. Turn off key to stop, turn key to start.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:45 PM
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I prefer manual in anything. My old AMC eagle was an auto and i found a manual parts car and swapped it all over just because i wanted a four speed...
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1976 CJ-5, Healthy AMC 360/t-18, 6" lift, 35"s.
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Old 01-07-2009, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by shimniok
If I were rich I'd do a reverse pattern 727 and Klune V for lower gearing. Best of both worlds. For any kind of serious wheeling I personally would hate to give up the torque converter. But I'm sure I'd like compression braking.

But that's me. I say there's no right answer. Use what you like and what works best for ya.

For all that are saying no compression breaking with auto, that is not true.
Just like anything else in the trucks we work on, stock it's true but but with a reverse Manual valve body, it does.
I have both and I like both each for different things.
I tried both in the dunes and the auto ruled there, didn't do too much mud or snow but the auto had a slight edge there.
I all other situations the manual with a deisel and low gearing was definitely nice.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:29 AM
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Manual all the way. I only crawl with mine though. No mud or sand for my jeep
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Old 01-18-2009, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by imiceman44
For all that are saying no compression breaking with auto, that is not true.
Just like anything else in the trucks we work on, stock it's true but but with a reverse Manual valve body, it does.
its not that there is 'no' compression braking... just considerably less.

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Old 01-18-2009, 03:43 PM
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Yeah, his gearing is way off if thats the case. And as mentioned above, I do the same thing. Turn off key to stop, turn key to start.

Or they are using autopartsamericawhitneyzone chinese clutches.
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:56 PM
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A manual Automatic...727 with a manual valve body from Art Carr and Art Carr shifter

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Old 05-06-2009, 08:16 PM
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it is just fun to drive a manul not to meton chances of it geting stolen are smaller
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Old 05-17-2009, 06:38 PM
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manual... except for city driving... but the parking brake has got to work!
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Old 12-03-2009, 05:52 PM
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there are many benifits to each. but i like auto.
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:29 PM
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i'm a manual kinda guy for just about everything, and until last year or so, i wouldn't own anything with an auto. both my current jeeps are auto, though, and i have decided that in a jeep, auto ain't so bad. auto just sucks in a 4 banger that has no balls to begin with. i do kinda hate it when i'm doin a long, muddy hill climb in my xj waggy and it only has 1-2 mode as a low option, and shifts halfway up and i lose all my momentum. other than that, auto is fine, i guess. my last trail rig was a five speed, and i could do a lot more with it. the only problem i've had wheelin the big waggy was a carb problem, and it just kept stallin at steep angles.
buckle up, i wanna try somethin...
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:37 PM
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Auto it work much better for tight trails.
Blue 77 Wagoneer 401,Dana 44s,5.13 gears,spools,35 Boggers,12inch lift,offroader
Tan 77 Wagoneer 360 parts jeep.

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Old 09-05-2010, 03:03 PM
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Gotten used to auto myself. And with the arthritis in my feet/ankles and bad shoulder I don't end up whining like a girl when the trip is done. Only time I missed a stick was on an XJ w/4 cyl.
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[Did have a 94 & more recently a '97 GC with 5.2. for awhile. Just not the same! Now have the FSJ blues!
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Old 09-05-2010, 04:33 PM
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4-21spd Manuals . . . drove them all a few 2 sticker's even

Only trans i wasn't a fan of was the 7 x 3, 7spd main box, 3spd auxy splitter 21 forward speeds in total . . .

As for automatic's, i'm not really a fan in general really they fail on me to often . . .

I prefer GM auto's over all, Ford's auto's i hate all day long if it ain't a Built C-6 i want nothing to do with ford automatic's, and as for Mopar/CryCo auto's they have been Kiddywampus and back ward for me . . .

The 727's the Die hard best of the best ? for me it was the biggest POS ever, Slipped from gear to gear and rarely reverse worked, the 904 ? the one that supposed to be Junk crap scum ? ya that one held up bullet proofly for me . . .

I just tend to avoid auto's that ain't GM, had great luck with GM TH400's, Th475's, and 4L6/80E's . . . I just perfer the low maintenance long life span of a manual . . .

Clutches fail ? yep i have heard this but i haven't had it happen to me yet
Still an easier cheaper faster fix then any auto trans failure

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Old 09-05-2010, 05:28 PM
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Mine has a stick but i prefer auto for off-road when ascending and descending hills.
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Old 09-05-2010, 06:58 PM
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I am going to the 700r with a np208 this round. I want that overdrive action... I need to be able to get to where I want to go wheeling w/o using 4 tanks of gas.
I understand that they both can be built for high HP/ torque applications which is planned for the future.
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Old 09-12-2010, 10:01 AM
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Autos are for women and smokers.

Drink more water.

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But it's free"
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Old 11-30-2010, 11:08 AM
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Manual I had my J-10 for a couple of weeks and tore out the TH400/QT for a T18/D20. I don't like vehicles that tell me how to drive. Its like my work truck. It wont let me turn the AC on if it isn't above a certain temp outside. The only problem is it's never right. So I unplugged the sensor. I know when I'm hot and I know what gear I wanna be in.
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Old 11-30-2010, 12:56 PM
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Auto. Most of my vehicle use is on-road, and when I do go offroad its not hardcore. What I encounter is either sand or mud, generally on old service roads.

I gotta say, I like the ideas for modding our auto trannies though, talk about best of both worlds!
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