AW4 Transmission Swap

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • '89_Wagon
    232 I6
    • Jan 01, 2019
    • 149

    AW4 Transmission Swap

    I am prepping and gathering parts to swap out the TF727 for an AW4. The plan is to keep the NP229 and column shifter.

    Here's the parts list so far....

    -AW4 transmission - 23 spline
    -AW4 harness, attached to transmission
    -Cherokee underhood main harness (Has wiring to TCU)
    -TCU
    -TPS sensor
    -AW4 starter
    -AW4 flywheel
    -Spacer between NP229 and AW4
    -various lines and fittings for transmission cooler
    -transmission cooler

    So far, I have the TCU, AW4 and both harnesses.

    For the spacer, I was considering this. Is this what I need?
    Advanced Adapters Part 50-8603



    I would appreciate any tips or advice.
    '89 Grand Wagoneer
    AW4 Swap
  • Mikel
    • Aug 09, 2000
    • 6330

    #2
    Is your gearing going to work well with OD?
    1969 M715 6x6
    1963 J300 Swivel frame

    Comment

    • '89_Wagon
      232 I6
      • Jan 01, 2019
      • 149

      #3
      Originally posted by Mikel
      Is your gearing going to work well with OD?
      3.31 & stock wheels and tires. According to some other threads, that should be ok, and @ 65 mph rpms will be between 1800 rpm-2100rpm.
      '89 Grand Wagoneer
      AW4 Swap

      Comment

      • offthebeatenpath
        232 I6
        • May 31, 2019
        • 84

        #4
        Originally posted by '89_Wagon
        3.31 & stock wheels and tires. According to some other threads, that should be ok, and @ 65 mph rpms will be between 1800 rpm-2100rpm.
        If I remember right, my '98 XJ had 3.55's with that AW4. I lost a bit of grunt when I went to 31's. That was with the 4.0 liter motor.

        Comment

        • Mikel
          • Aug 09, 2000
          • 6330

          #5
          Originally posted by '89_Wagon
          3.31 & stock wheels and tires. According to some other threads, that should be ok, and @ 65 mph rpms will be between 1800 rpm-2100rpm.


          You should be in good shape. Please keep us updated.
          1969 M715 6x6
          1963 J300 Swivel frame

          Comment

          • yossarian19
            258 I6
            • Nov 13, 2016
            • 402

            #6
            Pretty sure what you need is a Dana 300 clocking ring if you have passenger's drop,
            flip ring if you have driver's.
            I've got a flip ring I'd let go for cheap + shipping (I needed the clocking ring. Whoops)
            The NP229 is standard six-bolt NV / NP mounting, right?

            Comment

            • '89_Wagon
              232 I6
              • Jan 01, 2019
              • 149

              #7
              Originally posted by yossarian19
              Pretty sure what you need is a Dana 300 clocking ring if you have passenger's drop,
              flip ring if you have driver's.
              I've got a flip ring I'd let go for cheap + shipping (I needed the clocking ring. Whoops)
              The NP229 is standard six-bolt NV / NP mounting, right?
              The pattern is the same, but I'm getting conflicting info. I think I need the clocking ring. I think a flip ring would make my np229 a passenger drop... which I don't want. Can someone confirm that?
              Last edited by '89_Wagon; 09-12-2019, 03:01 PM.
              '89 Grand Wagoneer
              AW4 Swap

              Comment

              • pickledtoast
                232 I6
                • Feb 13, 2018
                • 59

                #8
                I'm planning on the AW4 swap in my '90 this winter as well. I thought the NP229 bolted to the AW4 without an adapter.

                Comment

                • '89_Wagon
                  232 I6
                  • Jan 01, 2019
                  • 149

                  #9
                  From my reading, there's a gap when you insert the shaft of about an inch. A 7/8 thick ring will work.
                  '89 Grand Wagoneer
                  AW4 Swap

                  Comment

                  • pickledtoast
                    232 I6
                    • Feb 13, 2018
                    • 59

                    #10
                    Yeah i did more research after posting that. Seems a spacer is needed. Should be pretty simple to make hopefully.

                    I have a '95 AW4 and a '97 TCU.
                    Last edited by pickledtoast; 09-25-2019, 12:21 PM.

                    Comment

                    • rocklaurence
                      Moderator

                      Moderator
                      • Jan 14, 2009
                      • 1841

                      #11
                      You'll need 7/8" spacer and longer mounting studs because the earlier Tcase input shaft sticks out further than the later NV231/241

                      Comment

                      • '89_Wagon
                        232 I6
                        • Jan 01, 2019
                        • 149

                        #12
                        Thanks for confirming the about the spacer.

                        Still wondering what to do about driveshafts. How much will the rear need to be shortened? The front lengthened? Can I use the existing driveshafts?

                        Took out the wiring, labeled a few things, and purchased some odds and ends for the electrical. I'll do another post about the wiring.

                        TCM Harness
                        [IMG][url=https://flic.kr/p/2heBhop][/IMG]

                        TCM Pin
                        [IMG][url=https://flic.kr/p/2heCXL3][/IMG]

                        [IMG][url=https://flic.kr/p/2heCWrE][/IMG]

                        [IMG][url=https://flic.kr/p/2heCWyZ][/IMG]

                        Step down and TPS
                        [IMG][url=https://flic.kr/p/2heBaTR][/IMG]

                        TCM. Does anybody know what year this one is? Seems to pug in fine with a 96 harness (32 pin)
                        [IMG][url=https://flic.kr/p/2heDLQ4][/IMG]
                        '89 Grand Wagoneer
                        AW4 Swap

                        Comment

                        • 80Limited
                          232 I6
                          • Feb 19, 2015
                          • 242

                          #13
                          Do a search for my build AW4 completed on here. If you have any questions pm me.

                          Comment

                          • '89_Wagon
                            232 I6
                            • Jan 01, 2019
                            • 149

                            #14
                            Bought a 7/8 flip/clocking ring off ebay. Looking at this now, I think I just need long studs to pass through the adapter which the transmission and TC will grab onto... no clocking or flipping necessary. When I drop the TC, I'll confirm, but if that's the case I think a flip or clocking ring will work.

                            I bought gaskets for a NP231 adapter for about $11 just to give a little extra space between the NP229 and AW4.

                            Ring and gaskets


                            Thickness with gaskets
                            '89 Grand Wagoneer
                            AW4 Swap

                            Comment

                            • '89_Wagon
                              232 I6
                              • Jan 01, 2019
                              • 149

                              #15
                              I made a bracket for the tps. It's different than the other setups I've seen. Ill post some picks later.

                              Next up is a transmission cooler. Any recommendations?
                              '89 Grand Wagoneer
                              AW4 Swap

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X