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  • Yogi Bear
    230 Tornado
    • Mar 25, 2006
    • 22

    Quadratrac hard parts - the big picture

    Has anyone ever had any of the Quadratrac hard parts machined up before?
    For example, it is known that the TH400 10 spline output shaft and reduction unit Sun Gear wear on them selves. These parts would be relatively easy to have remade if the engineering dimensions were available.

    Again, same goes for the the differential Side Gear and Cone Gear internal splines that are known to be wear points. These could be remade easily if the engineering dimensions were available.

    The other item prone to wear in the unit that I don't see available from parts places are the preloading Bellville spings. This is a common spring type used in many industrial applications. These could probably be purchased off the shelf if all relevant dimensions, thickness, taper depths and spring rates were available. Even if they were not off the shelf items, these types of springs are not expensive to have made up.

    My point is that it is obvious that at somepoint in the future the hard wear parts in our QT units will die and need replacing. Thinking down the road a bit, spares from other cases are going to disappear. I want my Quadratrac for what it is. I don't want to have to convert it to part time. If we can't buy replacement hard parts for our QT units, then we need to be able to have them made up.

    For example, in my work I get alot of precision parts/components made up at a some highly reputable machining/engineering firms. There is no reason at all why the hard wear parts (discussed above) in QT units could not be made be these places I use in my work.

    Does anybody know how to get hold of the relevant technical specs and drawings for the QT's hard parts.

    Interms of remanufacture of parts, an example of the parts could always be used. It is better however to have a design drawing with all relevant dimensions and material types for a machinist to work from.
    1 x well worn 80 Cherokee S 5 door - 360V8, TH400, QTRACwLR, D44\'s F+R, White with very seventies sky blue interior.<br />Goes quick downhill!!! <br />All original cruising king.
  • fulsizjeep
    Señor Jackhead
    • Aug 21, 2002
    • 22496

    #2
    Many have gone with a part time kit because it resolves the differential issue with a different solution. We also like the stock version because the performance on ice and snow is awesome. It may not be easy to find any NOS T400 tail shafts or sun gear for the reduction unit. It may be worth the effort to do some recon with Borg Warner to see if any technical specs are available. NOS QTs can be found. There is a guy who lists them on eBay a few times a year. If someone could invest in a NOS unit, it could be used to determine specs if none can otherwise be found.

    My engineering abilities for this kind of hardware is around zero. I have been electronics and computer nerd all my working career and the two don't really mix. I can figure out mechanical stuff, ID the bad parts and replace them. Engineering new parts would be like asking me to build a bridge. It might look like a bridge when I am done, but don't drive your FSJ over it.
    Flint
    Ran when parked.
    http://jubileejeeps.org/quadratrac
    88 GW, 401/727/208, 5" lift, D44s/4.10s/locked up, 35s with a few Evil Twin & TT's Fabworks mods
    76 401 Wag, 77 401 Wag, 77 401 J20
    http://eviltwinfab.com http://www.ttsfabworks.com

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    • pb
      350 Buick
      • Aug 28, 2003
      • 1443

      #3
      Originally posted by fulsizjeep
      ... We also like the stock version because the performance on ice and snow is awesome. .....
      Amen. Best TC case I have driven in the snow. I like it much better than the NP cases I have driven in that situation.

      I keep toying with the idea of investing in a NOS unit and getting the parts repo'd myself. I haven't found any specs on the parts yet. I doubt BW will hand them over w/o some $$, but the U.S. Patent office may have them on file
      Paul
      1975 Wagoneer DD
      360 with large cap ecm controlled HEI, TBI EFI, Comp Cam 260H, Edelbrock Performer Intake, CS130 alt, 4 row radiator, S10 steering box, QT w/LO, WT 3.54 D44 axles. Rancho 9000X's, ~4" lift, Caddy rear discs.

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      • Lindel
        Perfesser of Jeepology
        • Jun 15, 2000
        • 9205

        #4
        Flint, what's the going price on the NOS unit? Perhaps a few of us could do a "group" buy on one, the have the parts repro'd out of billet steel, or something even stronger.

        It seems to me that one of the QT's weakest points are the splines on the cones.
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        1987 Grand Wagoneer
        AMC 360/TF727/NP229
        1999 Wrangler Sport
        4.0L/AX-15/NV231


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        • Boghog1
          258 I6
          • Apr 16, 2004
          • 301

          #5
          Instead of just reproducing them why not just have them made better, eg get rid of the 10 spline design for output shaft and sun gear?
          79 Cheif WT 360/TH400/1339
          83 Pioneer 4dr 258/???/???
          88 Cherokee XJ with OME lift TJ flares 33s
          98 Grand Cherokee 2.5" lift and 31s
          99 Cherokee XJ bone stock

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          • Lindel
            Perfesser of Jeepology
            • Jun 15, 2000
            • 9205

            #6
            That would be a possibility too, the main issue at that point would be the cost of the parts after redesign and manufacture, vs the cost of parts that are reproduced from original specs or copied from original pieces that don't have any wear yet.

            I'd also want the parts made from better wearing, longer lasting materials, as well.
            Jeep Grounds
            RRV Homepage
            Texas Full Size Jeep Association
            1987 Grand Wagoneer
            AMC 360/TF727/NP229
            1999 Wrangler Sport
            4.0L/AX-15/NV231


            ?Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction? by Ronald Reagan.


            Formerly of DFW/Gun Barrel City, TX - eventually to return...

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            • 1986 Woody
              327 Rambler
              • May 13, 2004
              • 558

              #7
              There is a guy on Ebay who is selling a few NOS units he has for $750. I have not seen him post another in awhile but they are NOS. They have ben sitting for awhile so the seals shoould be changed before using as I am sure they are dried out.
              Last edited by 1986 Woody; 10-15-2006, 01:29 PM.

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              • fulsizjeep
                Señor Jackhead
                • Aug 21, 2002
                • 22496

                #8
                Originally posted by 1986 Woody
                There is a guy on Ebay who is selling a few NOS units he has for $750. I have not seen him post another in awhile but they are NOS. They have ben sitting for awhile so the seals shoould be changed before using as I am sure they are dried out.
                Interesting... The pictures of the NOS units I have seen do not look like that and can't find copies I have saved. Maybe a different seller? The ad I have seen them listed for $725.

                For those who don't have a clear drawing of the QT and MM kit options:
                Flint
                Ran when parked.
                http://jubileejeeps.org/quadratrac
                88 GW, 401/727/208, 5" lift, D44s/4.10s/locked up, 35s with a few Evil Twin & TT's Fabworks mods
                76 401 Wag, 77 401 Wag, 77 401 J20
                http://eviltwinfab.com http://www.ttsfabworks.com

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                • 1986 Woody
                  327 Rambler
                  • May 13, 2004
                  • 558

                  #9
                  The picture you are looking for is the NOS unit sitting on a bench. this is a picture of the unit I purchased from the guy on Ebay.

                  I can state that the units he is selling NOS are new.
                  Last edited by 1986 Woody; 10-15-2006, 01:29 PM.

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                  • fulsizjeep
                    Señor Jackhead
                    • Aug 21, 2002
                    • 22496

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 1986 Woody
                    The picture you are looking for is the NOS unit sitting on a bench. this is a picture of the unit I purchased from the guy on Ebay.

                    I can state that the units he is selling NOS are new.
                    That is the one I have seen. So, you bought one. Cool. Have you installed it or otherwise opened it up for inspection? How was he to deal with? Please, do tell...
                    Flint
                    Ran when parked.
                    http://jubileejeeps.org/quadratrac
                    88 GW, 401/727/208, 5" lift, D44s/4.10s/locked up, 35s with a few Evil Twin & TT's Fabworks mods
                    76 401 Wag, 77 401 Wag, 77 401 J20
                    http://eviltwinfab.com http://www.ttsfabworks.com

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                    • 1986 Woody
                      327 Rambler
                      • May 13, 2004
                      • 558

                      #11
                      The unit is brand new. It still has the cosmoline on the case as well. I have not cracked the case open but have looked inside with the low range cover off and it is new. I have not mated it to the driveline yet as I am not that far along in the restoration but should have it mounted by October. I am afraid it will be sometime before I am able to let you know how it runs.

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                      • fulsizjeep
                        Señor Jackhead
                        • Aug 21, 2002
                        • 22496

                        #12
                        Cool... OK, at least we have somebody here who has done business with this guy. How did that part go?
                        Flint
                        Ran when parked.
                        http://jubileejeeps.org/quadratrac
                        88 GW, 401/727/208, 5" lift, D44s/4.10s/locked up, 35s with a few Evil Twin & TT's Fabworks mods
                        76 401 Wag, 77 401 Wag, 77 401 J20
                        http://eviltwinfab.com http://www.ttsfabworks.com

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                        • 1986 Woody
                          327 Rambler
                          • May 13, 2004
                          • 558

                          #13
                          The transaction went fine. I inquired as to a discount if I bought the other unit he had and he even offered to drop the price on the second one if I bought the two.

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                          • fulsizjeep
                            Señor Jackhead
                            • Aug 21, 2002
                            • 22496

                            #14
                            I just PMd you 1986 Woody... Thanks for the feedback!
                            Flint
                            Ran when parked.
                            http://jubileejeeps.org/quadratrac
                            88 GW, 401/727/208, 5" lift, D44s/4.10s/locked up, 35s with a few Evil Twin & TT's Fabworks mods
                            76 401 Wag, 77 401 Wag, 77 401 J20
                            http://eviltwinfab.com http://www.ttsfabworks.com

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                            • 1986 Woody
                              327 Rambler
                              • May 13, 2004
                              • 558

                              #15
                              Pm'd you back. Send me email to the address I gave you in PM.

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