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Old 02-21-2017, 01:54 PM
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J20 Plow Truck Getting Back on the Road

Hey, so I decided to go ahead and throw this together. I haven't made a whole lot of progress on this but I figure I better start now on documenting everything. So this will be more of a 'before' post to start with. I recently acquired a dirt cheap 1976 J20 that had been used as a plow truck forever. It was a coworker trying to get rid of it so he could buy a Polaris to plow his driveway since it has a bit better turning radius. Anyway, I digress. I was pessimistic and expecting to find a rust bucket plow truck, but it is really clean and well taken care of, all original everything and even came with the original operating manual. Picked it up the next morning and managed to break it getting it off the trailer Anyway, it's an all original 401, TH400, BW1339. It's in good shape all in all, new carb and plugs, fluids replaced all around. Starts and runs like a champ. Unfortunately, the dipstick tube broke off in the block before it came to me, so I need to fix that, but it's all straight and mostly rust free minus some body stuff on the bed and floor pans.

And so I give you Plain Jane, the once-plow truck, now project, soon to be admirable FSJ.


(I never claimed to be a good photographer)








(That jeep mat covers a sizable hole in the floor. New pans are coming soon.)


(as you can see, I have some cleaning up to do...)

It was running and driving (if it could be said it was driving at that point) and I pulled it into the garage, started cleaning it up, took off the plow mount and in-cab controls, backed it out and I lost all my gears. Couldn't figure it out, but I knew (or hoped) the problem was in the transfer case. So a buddy of mine pushed me back up into the garage with his work truck and I pulled the tcase. Sure enough, the shifter broke and it is stuck in Neutral. I haven't fully torn into it yet because I've been so freaking busy, but there are bits of metal I'm not excited to see and the shift linkage moves freely, but doesn't move anything internal in the tcase itself. Gonna have to break it open and replace that. But all in all, once I cleaned it up, the old BW1339 is in pretty good shape, minus the 1.25" of play in the chain.



I know it's probably not the best using the bed of the truck as my work table, but hey, I'm working out of a small garage in suburbia so cut me some slack. Next on the agenda is tcase repair and rebuild (didn't have any pics of it apart), get both shafts looked at, and put it all back in to see if it moves. Pretty exciting stuff, I know. I'll hopefully keep things up to date. I'm waiting on all the work til I know if I have a title for the thing, but the PO is being slow on that. Again, wouldn't have bought with out a title, except it was almost free, so I figured what's the harm, so long as it isn't stolen?

Thanks for reading, I'll post again soon.
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Old 02-24-2017, 05:56 PM
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MAJOR Roadblock

Well, I have to say, I am feeling quite dejected.

I pulled apart the tcase and found out exactly what kept me from moving. It was exactly what I expected, but so much more as well. The shift guide pin in the tail case broke and went flying about, shredding a lot of the inside of the tail case. Sigh.

At this point, I have to figure out whether to throw a new tailshaft in the transmission and switch over to a d20 or figure out if I can fix the bw1339. I am honestly so far out of my depth with it that I close to calling it and parting out the tcase for some funds.

I'll post again when I figure out what route I am taking.
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Old 02-28-2017, 07:48 AM
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This makes me want a J20 even more. I love those trucks for some reason.

Out of curiosity, whats the story behind the lip along the top of the windshield? Ive noticed some have it and some dont.
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:06 PM
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To my knowledge, the roof over-hang is just a part of the original truck design. I've seen it on pretty much all the original J20s I've looked at from the 70s at least. I am totally new to the jeep world, having had no intentions to own a FSJ until I suddenly bought one, much to everyone's surprise including my own. So I am still learning this world. I know there has to be someone on here that knows exactly everything about that roof lip, but not me. Sorry I don't have more for you there.
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:04 PM
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The lip on the front of the cab is called the brow, like an eyebrow. I don't know when they stopped appearing on the trucks. Maybe 1979? Or 1980?

Hope this helps.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:43 AM
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1980 was the last year for the 'brow'.
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Old 03-03-2017, 12:24 AM
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What a great looking truck. Some of us started with some pretty rough rigs. It looks like once you get past the transfer case and floorboards and maybe a few other things, you will have quite a truck. I like the stainless trim. And the truck is pretty darn straight too. I would call that a really nice score. We will be watching. Congrats!
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:05 PM
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Ely and Strode, thanks for the info. I had no clue, and it always helps to know how to put a date on the trucks I see out and about.

KJ, thanks, and I know! I saw the truck and the guy selling it to me was joking when he offered. He said "Oh, no it's just an old plow truck, I was mostly kidding. Wouldn't want you to have to deal with it." Made it sound like it was going to be rusted through on every panel. Looking at it I was honestly very surprised.

To update: I do have the transfer case back in (with special thanks to Tad and Rang-a-stang for low range unit contributions) and will fill it this week. In getting everything back up under the truck, I noticed I needed some new u-joints for the rear drive shaft. Of course it couldn't go smoothly, because in removing them I found one of the ears on the shaft is bent, so I'm going to take it in and do some new shafts. Any recommendations here? Should I upgrade or just replace? I think it's just stock, but I'm thinking of getting something a little beefier for trails. Just thoughts. Mostly still trying to sit on my hands because I STILL HAVE NO TITLE which is very frustrating. The owner before the PO takes forever in correspondence. But it looks like they lost it and we will have to go through the replacement process.

Anyway, just day dreaming about when I can finally drive the dang thing.

Take it easy, everyone.
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Old 03-22-2017, 08:43 PM
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Do you plan on lifting it, ever? If you do I'd either do it now and order custom DS's or use the old one until option 1 is more feasible. Nothing quite as lame and replacing something only to soon thereafter need to replace the same with something else
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:04 AM
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Sound advise! Absolutely the first step in any build is to figure out what you want to do with it when you're done building.
Looks like a good truck from which to start. I run/have run Tom Wood's shafts on all my rigs. Once I had a problem with balance and their customer service to get it fixed was outstanding. Tom definitely stands by his products.

Looking forward to following your progress.
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Old 10-03-2017, 09:26 AM
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Finally Back at it.

Hey guys, been a while.

I'm sure many of you are familiar with life putting a jeep build on the back burner. Clearly, this is the case for me. I was really hoping to get this thing up and running before it got too cold here in CO, but it looks like I'm a little late with the recent weather we've had. Already scraping ice in the mornings.

Anyway, I have a buddy coming up tomorrow. I'm super excited for it. This weekend, I took Friday off, and he and I will be doing a bunch. Brakes, shocks, springs, headers and 3" purple hornies (it'll be annoying til I can afford a full exhaust overhaul), general tune up and cleaning. It feels good to know it will be moving soon. I'll try to remember to take pictures and things, but I don't even know how to show them to y'all considering the whole image hosting fiasco. I'll find something for it. The only parts that didn't make it were the drive shafts. I ordered them, then found they wouldn't be here in time, and decided to cancel the order. I will put some new ones on in the near future. Til then, I will put the old one on to get it up to the corner and finally wash the engine bay. I found the oil massacre culprit- my dipstick tube decided to change to the quick-release, two piece model. Not ideal. I have the new tube but I'm waiting for the exhaust overhaul to put it in, as I have to pull the manifolds anyway. Well, I'll update early next week and let you all know if another J20 is back on the streets.

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Old 10-11-2017, 12:26 PM
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Finally some real progress

Buckle up, this one is a long one.

I got my friend out from TX, and he and I went to town on this truck. I am trying out Google for image hosting, so let me know if/ when it doesn't work right so I can fix it.

We started with the ever important list. Watch it throughout, it keeps getting longer


So basically, I ordered a bunch of parts- tune up, headers, brakes, shocks, the works. We were planning on getting it running on Thursday night, start the work around on Friday-Tuesday. Of course, that turned out to be pretty ambitious. Roadblock after roadblock on this one. Wrong parts ordered, things didn't fit, and there was way more wrong with it than I thought. Here is the engine bay on the first night as we started tearing into it. I know it's filthy, I'm working on it. The plan was start with exhaust, since the broken dipstick tube was technically the only thing keeping me from turning it over and we had to lose the manifold to get at it.



Driver side actually dropped relatively easily. (please no judging the garage floor. There isn't enough pig mat in the world for this truck)


The passenger side had other plans- a creative quick release method on this one.


Never seen a manifold straight up cracked in half on a running truck. Needless to say, it probably wouldn't have run much longer that way. We had to call it a night once we pulled the exhaust and buttoned up a few other things. Day one done, we woke up and the driver side header just about fell right into place.



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Old 10-11-2017, 12:29 PM
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Finally some real progress (2/2)

Continuing from last post.

We spent the morning on some basic maintenance stuff- oil filter went in, dipstick tube fought us fiercely but went in, and we made parts lists for oil pan (gaskets and bolts) along with some different stuff for the exhaust I forgot to order. So we broke for lunch. Got tacos and saw this in the parking lot:


Good times. Got the honda ready to make a parts run-


Anyway, enough fooling around. We got the driver side in good, and then the passenger side gave us all the trouble in the world despite being completely clear access with the heater core out. The bump stop on the frame by the front diff was completely in the way, we had to drop the starter again, it's a whole fiasco. Bad pic, but you can see the bump stop there above the diff.


Well that was it for that day. Then some R&R at Rocky Mountain National Park.


And back to it. Getting into Saturday night now. Got a sawzall for the bump stop and running to the parts store for header bolts. Saw another gem-


Got the Driver side attached with the dipstick tube in, and with how much that tube fought us, getting it in was such a win that we pretty much quit working that day a little earlier than expected around 10 or 11.


The last thing we did that night was start on the bump stop. Got the notch we thought we'd need and found out we were gonna have to cut the whole thing out. Unfortunately, it was too late to be that loud, so we saved it for the morning.


Next morning, we went to get bagels and I swear the universe was rubbing it in my face that my classic wasn't running. Found a guy having coffee with his chevelle.


Anyway, got back to work, pulled the bump stop and realized, as many of you probably already have reading this, that the off-set front diff is right in the way of the passenger side header. We racked our brains for options on a Sunday, both of us calling people, and sure enough an 87 Grand Wagoneer had JUST showed up to LKQ pick yard and we got there to replace the broken passenger side manifold. Big sigh of relief there. Also got a spare carb and some assorted bits I was missing. Might go back for the bumper, even though it isn't quite right. A moment of silence for the fallen comrade, but glad I can grab some parts to keep another on the road.


By the time we made it back to the house, it was pointless trying to accomplish anything else. A cold front was rolling in with an expected 5 inches or so of snow, and we needed a last parts run. We bought exhaust parts and connectors to get the 3" purple hornies I ordered on there, just to have something other than open exhaust, but we didn't have it in us to put it on that night. We went for beer and blues at the brewery instead.
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:30 PM
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Follow up

I had work on Monday, so my buddy started exhaust. Turns out we had the wrong stuff with the Hornies, so we left it open pipe. It was rigged poorly, but our new mission was to get the thing back in the garage under its own power. Sure enough, Tuesday after lunch we got the exhaust rigged and on the thing, and it's an exciting feeling. I've got video, but I know I can't get it on here and I haven't uploaded to YouTube yet, so I will try to get it up here later on.



In the end, we got it to move, stop, and idle. Tuned it just a little, and in all honesty, it's not in that bad of shape. There is a lot of work left to do, and I'm under no delusions that it's ready for the trails, but this was a lot of progress and I really enjoyed it. Next is brakes, shocks, suspension, some more tuning, and I think 2" of lift will clear that front diff so I can have my headers and hornies. All in all a very productive update. If you made it this far, props and thanks for reading.

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Nice, does it have a J1 paint code? Pewter Gray Metallic. Mine was originally bought out of Colorado, but not by me.
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Old 10-20-2017, 10:08 AM
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Well I learned my lesson- Don't ever buy without a title.

My Truck is quickly becoming not mine. My garage door broke, and since I just got my truck running last week, I was happy to announce that I could park the vehicle on the street while the overhead people worked on my door. Problem is, my neighbor is running an illegal auto shop out of his garage and the city is trying hard to catch him. So they saw the jeep, plateless and naked in the street, and they towed it instantly.

I don't have a title. That is the only sheet of paper that can get it out of impound. So in 30 days, my jeep will not be my jeep, and I will be jeepless. All the time and money and emotion I spent will be for nothing. Please, please, never repeat my mistake. I don't believe any one on here would ever purchase a vehicle without a title, and now I can join their ranks, as I will never again make such a grievous error.
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Maybe time to get a Lawyer involved. If it's legally yours it seems you should be able to get it back.

The tow company says no Title no truck but that doesn't mean their policy is legal.
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Something isn't right here. Just because you don't have the title doesn't mean the truck isn't yours. What if it was someone's leased vehicle or they had a lien on their vehicle or the bank owned it? Not everyone has a title in their possession. Do you have a bill of sale? That should be all they need to release your truck.
Also, what laws state that you cannot park a vehicle on the street? If they had no right to tow it in the first place I'd be getting the local Sheriff's Dept. involved.
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Dunno about CO but in CA if it's on the street it must have a plate and current tag.

But thinking about it an expired tag prolly isn't a towing offense but I would think no plate is.

I assume you've shown them what you have document wise. Keep track of the date so when you do get it back they don't charge you for the days after they refused to give it to you.
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Hey guys, thanks for the possible leads on it. Yeah, I am looking into getting a release form from the city in order to get it back without a title. the tow company is being really cool about it actually- they recognize the system was never made to consider this circumstance, and while they can't give it back yet, they are sympathetic and said not to worry about fees for extra days, as I would've come for it already if I could have. They said if I can get the release from the City, I can take it home for the cost of the tow, which wasn't bad.

SJTD- Dunno about the legality of their title policy, but I have a workaround with the city release form if it pans out. I'd like to avoid involving a lawyer- I appreciate what they do, but I don't want to pay more than the value of the truck in legal fees. That said, if there is no resolution this week, I am absolutely going to a personal property lawyer. I already have a few emails out in case. The problem is, even though I paid for it, I'm not sure if the truck IS legally mine- I have a bill of sale, but it's just one the seller and I drew up, nothing notarized or witnessed. And the tow was legal because of there were no plates- the city actually has to tow if there are no plates.

Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81- yeah, that's the thing- if you've got a lien or a lease, you still have to contact the technical owner for them to get it out of impound. The tow company is covering their asses- imagine if the truck wasn't mine, or I hadn't done the VIN search before buying. I did all of these things, and the truck I bought was clear of any problems, but if that weren't the case hypothetically, I could just forge a bill of sale and take the truck. I get why it's such a headache, I'm just hoping they don't crush a J20 because of bureaucracy and legal nonsense. I sure wish I could get a hold of the title holder on the phone or something...
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