Multi-brand rocker panel review. PIC HEAVY!

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  • KaiserMan
    I got the Willys....
    • Jun 21, 2005
    • 8704

    Multi-brand rocker panel review. PIC HEAVY!

    I recently replaced the passengers rocker panel on my 71 and used a commonly available replacement rocker panel. The fit was sub-par to say the least.
    lines where missing, it was cut wrong and didn't fit the cab corner. The flanges weren't formed right for both the floor and inner rocker. It was
    a very disappointing replacement.

    So I went on a hunt for a better option. Thanks to a fellow member I was turned on to Melnick Metal Works Inc (see very bottom of page for contact info) in Bristol CT. This fellow member dropped off a very good donor rocker from a Wagoneer and Melnicks went about re-creating it. I think the results are phenomenal.

    Below is a comparison of Melnicks rocker panel, and of several others I have from various souces. They came from "Classic to Current"
    (referred to as CTC from now on), Rock Auto (RA), BJ's Off road and of course Melnicks.
    The RA rocker has the same part number as the CTC rocker.

    The following pics and info should speak for them selves regarding the quality of the various rockers. I will say, right of the bat that the BJ's rocker is a couple of years old, and I have been told by them that some of the fitment issues have been resolved.

    Note that all but the Melnicks are meant as weld in replacements with all flanges prebent. This implies they are more or less ready to weld in as is. The Melnick rockers have no side flanges, and are made longer than necessary to allow for better custom fitting. All the other rockers need material added in (to lengthen them) as they are incorrectly angled on the cab corner side as you will see.

    Also note this isn't intended to bash any company or their products. I'm just stating my experiences with them from handling, comparing and installing one of them. My opinions on them are my own, yours may vary.

    First off, from top to bottom: Melnick, BJ's, CTC and RA. Ignore the smudge on the RA. All but the Melnicks rocker have a form of anti rust coating on them. The Melnicks are oiled.



    From bottom to top: Melnick, BJ, CTC and RA.



    Close up of the product stickers. The Melnicks has non.

    BJ's.



    CTC



    RA. As you can see, this one has been around a while. Not the PN is the same as the CTC rocker.



    First Comparison pics. Melnicks on the left, BJ's on the right. Sorry these came out so dark. I had a hard time seeing what I was shooting through the camera screen due to the sun.

    Note the correct 90* step down from the sill plate area to the incorrectly sloping "shelf" on the BJ's. The Melnicks is correctly bent to 90*. Also note the missing body line below it on the bJ's, and poorly formed lower flange area. The BJ's panel also has very small front (fender side) side flanges for spot welding, and poorly formed rear(cab corner side) side flanges.







    Melnick on the left, CTC on the right.

    Note the incorrectly sloping step down to the correctly bent "shelf". Also missing on this rocker is the body line seen on the Melnick rocker on the left. And every FSJ ever made! Also note the incorrectly bent lower flange, and the larger side flanges for spot welding.







    Melnicks on the left, RA on the right. Note the incorrectly bent (angles outward) step down, incorrect "shelf" and missing body line. Good size side flanges for spot welding, and a somewhat decent lower flange.







    2nd series of comparisons. Not the edges of the rockers where they would meet the cab corner.

    BJ;s on the right, Melnicks on the left.

    BJ's has non completely bent flanges, and (hard to see with the flanges the way they are) a very poorly fitting angle. This is the mate to the rocker I used. It leaves an almost 1" gap at the bottom of the cab corner. Melnicks is cut to the correct 90*.



    Melnicks on the left, CTC on the right.

    The CTC has less severe of an angle than the BJ's and better bent flanges. Still the wrong angle. Also note, this rocker is HUGE!!! It's much large than any of the others. It's size is completely wrong.



    Melnicks on the left, RA on the right.

    You can see the terrible angle well in this picture. The BJ's is worse after folding the flanges over. Note how much more in proption to the Melnicks rocker this one is.




    So I think the pics pretty much tell all you need to know. That being said, the others can me made to work. I made the BJ's fit OK. But it's no where near right. The Melnicks will be more expensive as they are custom bent by master metal smiths in a custom fabrication shop. But they are not unreasonably prices.

    Some notes I made on the various rockers. I used a Miller sheet metal thickness gauge to determine the thickness of each rocker.

    Melnicks: Completely correct bends, no side flanges. 20g thickness (this is matched to the 85 Wagoneer they where patterned from, I believe the older Jeep rockers are 18g). Best flanges for floor and inner rocker pinch welds.

    BJ's: multiple incorrect bends, smallest side flanges, flange for floor pinch weld too tall, but still 2nd best of the bunch. Smallest flange for inner rocker pinch weld. Thin side of 18g.

    CTC: Multiple incorrect bends. Best side flanges. Flange for floor pinch wled too tall. Flange for inner rocker too short, but better than BJ's. 18g. Overly large rocker. Much bigger than any of the others.

    RA: Multiple incorrect bends, 2nd best side flanges, 2nd best flange for inner rocker pinch weld, flange too tall for floor pinch weld. 20g. Feels cheaper than any of the others, even taking into consideration the lighter weight steel.


    If you want to get a pair of these rockers for your self and meet some great guys, give Melnicks a call and ask them about their FSJ rocker panels. Make sure you specify what length you need (Wagoneer/Cherk or Truck) as they can make them in any length you need.

    Melnick Metal Works Inc
    153 Church St, Bristol, CT 06010
    (860) 583-7982
    Last edited by KaiserMan; 12-02-2015, 05:57 PM.
    Thomas Russell
    1987 Cherokee Laredo 2-Door 4.0/AW4
    1971 Gladiator
    J2000 Platform-Stake Dump 350/T18

    1970 Gladiator J3000 3407Z Camper Truck 350/T18
    1968 Wagoneer Custom 327/TH400

  • Tripwire
    AMC 4 OH! 1
    • Jul 30, 2000
    • 4656

    #2
    thanks for taking the effort to document this
    Abort? Retry? Ignore? >

    86 GrandWag. Howell fuel Injected 360. MSD Ignition + Dizzy. 727/229 swap BJ's 2" Lift and 31's

    88 Wrangler 4.2, Howell TBI and MSD - Borla Headers w/ Cat-back + winch and 31's AND a M416 trailer (-:

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    • billyrb
      BJ's Off-Road
      • Aug 15, 2001
      • 10032

      #3
      I will look into carrying the Melnick units, hopefully we can get them added
      BJ's Off-Road
      [email protected]
      Your source for '63-'91 FSJ Parts

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      • J10blues
        258 I6
        • Mar 21, 2014
        • 395

        #4
        This is very informative! Thanks for sharing.

        Ben
        77 J10
        360 complete rebuild
        TH400
        Eddy Performer intake/Non EGR/CompCams 268 H
        Eddy 1406
        MSD 4AL/MSD 8519Dist/TFI coil
        Holley fuel pump
        MagnaFlow exhaust

        02 Jeep Wrangler TJ
        _________________________________________
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        • jeepman1
          258 I6
          • Jul 22, 2015
          • 421

          #5
          Lemme know if you have the Melnicks.
          : 98 9er
          '83 Honcho j10
          '12 Liberty Ltd.. wifes
          '19 Chaparral H2o Dlx sport 21

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          • jeepman1
            258 I6
            • Jul 22, 2015
            • 421

            #6
            BTW; How did you post pics to this site?!! Been trying forever..
            : 98 9er
            '83 Honcho j10
            '12 Liberty Ltd.. wifes
            '19 Chaparral H2o Dlx sport 21

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            • KaiserMan
              I got the Willys....
              • Jun 21, 2005
              • 8704

              #7
              Originally posted by jeepman1
              BTW; How did you post pics to this site?!! Been trying forever..
              I uploaded them to Photobucket, then posted them here using the insert image button.
              Thomas Russell
              1987 Cherokee Laredo 2-Door 4.0/AW4
              1971 Gladiator
              J2000 Platform-Stake Dump 350/T18

              1970 Gladiator J3000 3407Z Camper Truck 350/T18
              1968 Wagoneer Custom 327/TH400

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              • Kaiserjeeps
                360 AMC
                • Oct 02, 2002
                • 2811

                #8
                Absolutely fantastic posts. This saves others a lot of trouble and wasted money. Thank you for taking the time to organize it and post it.

                I purchased a rocker from a jeep dealership years ago after a run through the granite bowl on the Rubicon. My CJ was down and I did not want to miss the big camp out my friends and I used to do. I racked a perfectly good rocker on some rocks and bought the replacement. It is sitting inside my 69 waiting for me to finish the 70 I am working on. I hope it fits well.
                Now I own a stud gun and some body tools and maybe I can save it. Who knows.
                Thanks for posting such a well organized and very informative thread.
                Melford1972 says...
                I’d say I feel sorry for you, but I really don’t, Mr. “I-stumble-into-X-models-the-way-most-people-stumble-into-Toyota-Carollas.” 🤣
                -----------------------
                I make wag parts
                1969 CJ-5 41 years owned
                1969 1414X Wag in avocado mist
                1970 1414X Wag in avocado mist
                1968 M715 restomod
                2001 Dodge 3500
                2002 Toyota Tundra
                2006 Toyota 4runner was Liz's, parked



                Building a m715 over at the m715zone
                Beloved wife Elizabeth Ann Temple Murdered by covid on Oct 19th 2021

                Small violin, large amp

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                • Kaiserjeeps
                  360 AMC
                  • Oct 02, 2002
                  • 2811

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jeepman1
                  BTW; How did you post pics to this site?!! Been trying forever..
                  I also use photobucket. I upload them from my computer or an SD card to photobucket, then click on the picture you want to copy and paste to this site. On photobucket, see the "Share this photo" wording on the right margin? Under that are the 4 boxes you can copy from. Use the one that says IMG. Copy it and you can paste it in your message here on IFSJA.

                  Give it a try.
                  Melford1972 says...
                  I’d say I feel sorry for you, but I really don’t, Mr. “I-stumble-into-X-models-the-way-most-people-stumble-into-Toyota-Carollas.” 🤣
                  -----------------------
                  I make wag parts
                  1969 CJ-5 41 years owned
                  1969 1414X Wag in avocado mist
                  1970 1414X Wag in avocado mist
                  1968 M715 restomod
                  2001 Dodge 3500
                  2002 Toyota Tundra
                  2006 Toyota 4runner was Liz's, parked



                  Building a m715 over at the m715zone
                  Beloved wife Elizabeth Ann Temple Murdered by covid on Oct 19th 2021

                  Small violin, large amp

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                  • Mcgyver
                    230 Tornado
                    • Oct 22, 2015
                    • 23

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jeepman1
                    BTW; How did you post pics to this site?!! Been trying forever..

                    My favorite is Tiny Pic. great options for posting pics, just copy and paste the link in the message body

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                    • Mikel
                      • Aug 09, 2000
                      • 6330

                      #11
                      Spoke with Pete Melnick today. They are going to start making these rockers again.
                      Last edited by Mikel; 05-12-2018, 02:30 PM.
                      1969 M715 6x6
                      1963 J300 Swivel frame

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                      • jeepman1
                        258 I6
                        • Jul 22, 2015
                        • 421

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mikel
                        Spoke with Pete Melnick today. They are going to start making these rockers again.
                        Awesomeness!
                        : 98 9er
                        '83 Honcho j10
                        '12 Liberty Ltd.. wifes
                        '19 Chaparral H2o Dlx sport 21

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                        • rang-a-stang
                          Administrator
                          • Oct 31, 2016
                          • 5512

                          #13
                          Now if we could get them to make some WT Fender flares.... Sighh.....
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                          • KaiserMan
                            I got the Willys....
                            • Jun 21, 2005
                            • 8704

                            #14
                            Can you guys all see the pictures ok? I'm running an add on with Firefox that circumvents photobuckets stupidity, so I can see them all.
                            Thomas Russell
                            1987 Cherokee Laredo 2-Door 4.0/AW4
                            1971 Gladiator
                            J2000 Platform-Stake Dump 350/T18

                            1970 Gladiator J3000 3407Z Camper Truck 350/T18
                            1968 Wagoneer Custom 327/TH400

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                            • Mikel
                              • Aug 09, 2000
                              • 6330

                              #15
                              Works for me.
                              1969 M715 6x6
                              1963 J300 Swivel frame

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