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Old 07-29-2006, 03:52 PM
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4bta FSJ power and conversion information

has anyone done it yet?
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Old 07-29-2006, 04:06 PM
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There used to be a M715 on the board with a 4bt backed by a NV4500
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Old 07-29-2006, 04:21 PM
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There used to be a M715 on the board with a 4bt backed by a NV4500

Yes, mcinfantry performed this swap in a M715.
I hope he speaks up here, for he has spearheaded the Cummins 4BT swaps

Here is some extra info:
http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=13952
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Old 07-29-2006, 04:37 PM
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He got into an argument with some of the guys at the M715zone and deleted all the information regarding his swap, including his very detailed page.

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/f...highlight=m715
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Old 07-29-2006, 04:56 PM
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what was the argument about - bastardizing an M715?
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Old 07-29-2006, 05:00 PM
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He got into an argument with some of the guys at the M715zone and deleted all the information regarding his swap, including his very detailed page.

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/f...highlight=m715

BUMMER!
I would like to think I am not on his Black Ball list, for I aspire to perform a Diesel Swap sometime in the future.
I have consider him a valued resource, a knowledge bank of experience and friend.
So, publicly, if I have offended you, mcinfantry, in anyway and at anytime, I certainly apologize!
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Old 07-29-2006, 08:37 PM
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Cummins 4BT Suggestions

My brother has a 1997 Ford F-150 that has had its 4.6L V8 replaced with a 4BT from out of industrial strength fork truck.

It is 2WD and retains its original 4R70W automatic transmission by the means of a stand-alone controller.

He gets a reported 30+ miles per gallon a Diesel fuel.

The largest headache that he has is the starter has been dying on a regular basis.
He is looking for his fourth starter.
The fellow that performed this swap, fabricated a Ford tranny to a Cummins engine adapter plate.
Because the starter mounts to the tranny, he is sorta forced to reuse the existing Ford gasser starter with a modified flexplate.
While its a rather long discussion about the theories of why all these starters keeps failing, I will move to the point I am wanting to make.

If I (me, Bryan Smith) were to swap in a 4BT, I would most definitely look for a unit from a Frito's van.
Most of those came with a TH400 or a SM465 4 speed gear box (very good truck tranny, equal to the Ford/Jeep Borg Warner T18 4 speed)
Having the 4BT already setup for a Chevy transmission, greatly reduces the swap issues.

Here are pictures of my brothers truck:

















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Old 07-29-2006, 10:34 PM
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how much do i like that??? oh, yeah... i like that a whoooole lot!!

thanks for posting that up.

OUTSIDE of frying ford starters... are there any issues, or items your brother is not pleased with in this swap?


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Old 07-29-2006, 11:28 PM
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I wheeled with a guy from northern Michigan, up in Canada at the Looney run a couple of years ago who had done this, 4BT/auto SOA/60f/70r and 11.50x38.5 Boggers on a Grand G'neer.
I'll have to see if I can find out who he was again, and I have pictures on my work computer, but no pictures of the engine conversion.
It worked really good, but, seeing it moving and hearing it run at the same time just didn't seem right

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Old 07-29-2006, 11:40 PM
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how much do i like that??? oh, yeah... i like that a whoooole lot!!

thanks for posting that up.

OUTSIDE of frying ford starters... are there any issues, or items your brother is not pleased with in this swap?


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I'm sure he could pipe in and speak about some little things he does not like.
The only other thing my brother told me about was the stand-alone tranny controller acts goofy with the lockup torque converter
and does shift super smooth all the time.

But, overall, my brother loves it.
His truck's purpose is a high economy pickup truck, used for DD service and light hauling and maybe tow a trailer for a dirt bike.

Please note: I did not make this post to hijack wagonman83 original thread or gloat about my brother's truck, but hopefully,
to learn from my brother's pain and look for a 4BT with better transmission solutions than from a fork truck.
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Old 07-30-2006, 10:23 AM
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Bryan,

What did your brother pay for the 4bt? That is what I wanted to put in my J20 at first, but the cheapest I could ever find was $2500 and my cousin had the GMC van with a 6.2 for $500, so I went the C-H-E-A-P route!
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Old 07-30-2006, 10:53 AM
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Bryan,

What did your brother pay for the 4bt? That is what I wanted to put in my J20 at first, but the cheapest I could ever find was $2500 and my cousin had the GMC van with a 6.2 for $500, so I went the C-H-E-A-P route!

I do not know what my brother paid his truck.
He bought the truck with the conversation already completed.
I do not think it was cheap.

There is no doubt, a 6.2L is less expensive way to go.

My brother requirements was for a full sized Diesel truck that gets 30+ miles per gallon of Diesel.
He was also wanting vehicle to use in some some BIODIESEL experiments.
Of course, no one manufactures a truck like this, so he bought a truck that someone else had built that met his requirements.

So, this why he has a 4BT in a F-150 instead of something commercially available.
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Old 07-30-2006, 11:55 AM
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inasmuch as this thread is about 4bt swaps, that really isn't much of a hijack... the item i find consistenly with the 4bt is that nearly everyone attributes fuel mileage numbers in the 30 neighborhood... that is pretty significant to me... i get a few 6.2's back on the road... save a few bucks, i will absolutely go looking for the legendary firto truck... or three....

as far as people geting upset at someone for having brains enough to put a 4bt into an M715... (and i like the tornado, dont get me wrong)
but the M37 is held in much higher regard by the hard-core military vehicle collector crowd... and there are businesses based on re-powering them with a hercules 3.7 4cyl diesel. if someone actually got all bent out of shape at mcinfantry about his 715 swap, then maybe the world will never hear the resounding POP of the complainer's head dislodging itself from their own nether regions... (just one man's opinion, of course)

i think this all relates to the original post just dandy-like so, please, by all means... i want to see pictures of 4bt's in anything at all if it helps a guy decide on a swap..

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Old 07-30-2006, 01:17 PM
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Lee's truck was much applauded at the M715zone. I'm pretty sure the argument was about other matters unrelated to the 4BT.


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Old 07-30-2006, 02:21 PM
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So, where do we find these legendary Fritos trucks?
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Old 07-30-2006, 02:25 PM
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Old 07-30-2006, 02:55 PM
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i want to see pictures of 4bt's in anything at all if it helps a guy decide on a swap..

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My neighbor has a sweet M37 with a 4BT. He actually did his before lee and they were in communication about it through the process from what I here.

http://www.garbee.net/~cabell/photos1.htm

He has the M37, a duece and a m38. Between him and me with my M1008 and M715 we could have a parade.
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Old 08-15-2006, 08:16 PM
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So, where do we find these legendary Fritos trucks?

Currently, the best source that I know of is www.dovebid.com

I searched on P30

Here is a Frito distributor close to where I grew up and that has a few 4BT P30 Step vans for sale

Check this out:
http://www.dovebid.com/assets/displa...emID=tbd249690



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67387 Miles, VIN 0000CPM32A3303029, Fleet # R16829

The other good thing about these vans are their aluminum bodies.
Buy the van, drive it home, scrap the body at the recyclers.
The price of AL is way up, over 60 cents per pound.
Recoup the price the van or at least offset the cost of the swap.
Also, you get some large rear axle, maybe a Dana70, I dunno.
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67387 Miles, VIN 0000CPM32A3303029, Fleet # R16829
Hmmm, swap the tailshaft of the TH400 in there with the TH400/QT tailshaft; a 30mpg J4000. One can only dream....
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There was a video of Mac's truck pulling a couple of lesser rigs out of a big mudhole recently, at least I think it was Mac's M715.
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