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  • PaulD
    232 I6
    • Jul 04, 2017
    • 125

    Reusing leaf spring U bolts?

    Time to replace my 89 GW leaf springs. I had done this many years ago on a CJ7 and I think I used new U Bolts due to rust in that case. My 89 GW is rust free and the leaf spring U bolts are rust free and look like I can remove and reuse them with no problems. Am I fooling myself? Even if they come off OK, any reason I should get new ones anyway?
    Looks like they are a variety of sizes. Anyone know what sizes I would need for both front & rear?
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  • CutterN55
    350 Buick
    • Mar 09, 2009
    • 1141

    #2
    you can reuse them in a jam but you really should replace them as they do stretch a little. I can't remember the sizes. I know the one on the front casting is pretty big, different from the others and the tubes on the front is a little wider than the rear tubes I think. I wanna say 3" rear, 3.5" front, and the weird one on the front casting is 4"?

    Call BJ's, they'll know and can probably send you a kit. Last time I tried ordering them from a regular parts store was a pain in the ass, they cost a fortune, and weren't very good quality.
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    • ShagWagon
      350 Buick
      • Apr 10, 2016
      • 871

      #3
      I thought most kits included them. Maybe supplier has a kit to go with for GW.

      It's recommended to replace them.
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      • PaulD
        232 I6
        • Jul 04, 2017
        • 125

        #4
        BJ's does sell the correct U-bolts but they do not specify what size they are. You tell them what model Jeep you have and they will send the right sizes. Bolts are grade 8 and their prices are comparable with other sellers. The sell a kit (stock height springs made in India) with U-Bolts included but I don't think I want the springs from India. Right now I am leaning toward stock height springs from General Spring. I have seen some good reviews on them.
        I have installed springs in my younger days but do not plan to install these. Best price I have found so far locally is $375 for labor and I supply the parts.
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        • bufurd
          327 Rambler
          • Apr 13, 2008
          • 584

          #5
          I'd reuse em if they come off pretty easy, good bet is that the new ones are not as good quality wise as the ones you have. Where it gets dicey is when you have to really heat em up to get em off, even then new nuts (if you keep the torch to the nuts) if you can find the right tall nuts will get you by.
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          • 44BZ
            304 AMC
            • Dec 10, 2009
            • 1570

            #6
            I ordered new u bolts from Rubicon Express for my 68. Came with nuts and thick washers. They look like excellent quality to me and were a perfect fit. I've always read the reusing them is a bad idea because the u bolts deform as they're being tightened.
            Last edited by 44BZ; 08-09-2017, 08:13 AM.
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            • gsmikie
              Auto Trannie God
              • Feb 18, 2001
              • 10544

              #7
              NAPA sells them
              I\'ve seen gsmikie\'s video for the TH400 and thought it was just awful.watching a guy tear down a greasy pile of metal in a junkyard. it dosent have to be surrounded by water to be an island

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              • J20 project
                304 AMC
                • Dec 27, 2000
                • 2487

                #8
                I seriously doubt you can buy Grade 8 ubolts but.....use them if they come off okay...

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                • PaulD
                  232 I6
                  • Jul 04, 2017
                  • 125

                  #9
                  BJ's advertises that their U-Bolts are grade 8
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                  • rocklaurence
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                    Moderator
                    • Jan 14, 2009
                    • 1841

                    #10
                    I'd reuse them if the threads and nuts are still good. Torque them to 75lbs and if they toque down fine--re-use them. You should be able to have some made at a spring shop. The ones I sell with my FSSR kits are $55 for a set of 4.. That's what I get charged

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                    • PaulD
                      232 I6
                      • Jul 04, 2017
                      • 125

                      #11
                      The U-Bolts look good. No rust. My plan is to go ahead and reuse them and then if I decide later that was a mistake, I should be able to pull them out one at a time and insert new ones with out jacking anything up. Worst case is that I would need to jack stuff up enough to relieve any pressure then change them out one at a time.
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                      06 XK Commander Limited - daily driver

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                      • TPICherokee
                        Administrator
                        • Jul 02, 2001
                        • 3361

                        #12
                        From eating spring site:

                        Quality aftermarket u-bolts are made to SAE standard J429 using SAE1541 steel. 1541 provide a 150,00 PSI minimum tensile strength, and 130,000 PSI minimum yield strength and a 120,00 PSI proof load. So stretching, or exceeding the yield is not something one needs to be concerned with.

                        The reason u-bolts should be replaced after they have been torque is because the threads are rolled, not cut.

                        Because of this the threads are distorted when torqued. This distortion will not allow the torqued to be maintained when the nuts are loosened then retightened.

                        Because loose u-bolts are the main cause of broken springs, we suggest that they be re-torqued. While the springs are new and the u-bolts are new, the rest of the suspension is aged and will have wear. It is common that the new parts receive additional stress than the older parts.

                        Re-torqueing continues to move the nut up to new threads.

                        Bottom line is we recommend that the u-bolts be replaced once they have been torqued to spec. Whether one does so or not is their choice
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                        • TPICherokee
                          Administrator
                          • Jul 02, 2001
                          • 3361

                          #13
                          Originally posted by bufurd
                          good bet is that the new ones are not as good quality wise as the ones you have.
                          Ours are USA made grade 8 built to better than oem specs...
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                          1987 Grand Wagoneer - 5.3 Vortec, 4L60E, NP242
                          1979 Cherokee Chief - 6-inch BJ's Off-Road Lift Kit, TPI Chev 350, 700R4 with NP208 and 4.56 gears, 35x12.50R17, Rhino Front End, J-Truck Rear Axle, GoMango Orange.
                          1979 Cherokee Chief​ - 5.3 Vortec, 4L60E, Quadratrac, Alpaca Brown Paint, new stock interior
                          1976 J10 Longbox - 258, T18, Dana 20 - Sniper Fuel Injection
                          1967 M715 - 454 Chevy, TH400, 1100R16 Michelin XZL Tires, Stock otherwise (sold)

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                          • fsj454
                            Long time member
                            • Jan 02, 2015
                            • 521

                            #14
                            NEW NEW NEW.

                            I will be changing my front springs this weekend ..My friend works at spring shop and he will never use old u bolts .Cut off with torch and put new custom made ubolts
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                            • 440sixpack
                              327 Rambler
                              • Jul 21, 2016
                              • 612

                              #15
                              There is no reason whatsoever not to reuse a U bolt if it's in good condition.

                              Do you put new wheel studs in every time you change a tire? exactly the same thing.

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