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Old 09-23-2016, 06:43 AM
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i think im going to pull the trigger on this today.... wish me luck can i drop your name to them?
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Old 09-23-2016, 06:50 AM
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I think I'm the only Wagoneer they've done or one of the few at least. Please feel free.

You will probably speak to Kevin.
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Old 10-13-2016, 01:21 PM
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got my distributor sent in yesterday hoping to have all my stuff next week sometime...
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Old 12-05-2016, 12:34 PM
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Revisiting my fuel injection setup.

So everything has been running and I've been driving it with no issues. I have not been able to tune anything due to my lack of knowledge with prom burning and GM ECM's. I have still had a very rich setup, especially the CSE which I really want to solve. I looked into getting programmers and chips and all of that fun but instead fast forwarded a bit and called my good friend Ryan to help me in stage 2.

The long term goal has always been that once I am satisfied and up on an EFI setup that I would pull the Megasquirt out of my Probe (track car), upgrade that to an MS3 and then put the old unit in the Jeep. Well we skipped that. Probe is running well and there is no need for the upgrade. Enticed by Ryan's stockpile of Megasquirt parts and unfathomable knowledge - we set of on the journey this past Friday.

We started Friday evening building the harness, tracing wiring, and making the schematics.





Next up was getting a port for the IAT. I wanted to put it in the base of the air cleaner but was continually over-ruled that it should be in the manifold. Which meant adding a new port for the brake booster since the manifold had a perfect spot for the IAT. Drilling and tapping the TBI adapter did the track for that.







After that was sorted we are on to testing and more wiring.







We ran into a snag with some of the MS components - since we didn't know the condition of the old parts we were using but plan on getting back on it in the next day or so.

In the meantime I cleaned up some stuff, painted some rustyness, blower, brackets, mounts, etc.





It was decided that there is no turning back now, so I will have the ECM (& pigtails), Map sensor & harness, and a few other obsoleted items that I will sell once it's all done and buttoned up. I plasn on keeping a disty for now, no immediate plans for Coil Pack or COP. I do have plans for headers and a cam next year though and being able to easily tune this now with a laptop/tablet/phone will be fantastic.
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Prior Jeeps: 1997 Jeep Wrangler TJ, 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited
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Old 12-08-2016, 01:34 PM
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man i should have waited to buy my stuff from afi but I must say I have it done and is all working very well so far only been driving it for about a week was a slow process with hunting and fall yard stuff and thanksgiving. but glad its done before the real cold and the snow...
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Old 12-12-2016, 03:21 PM
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The kit is still a good price to pay for admission, get everything done and working the way you want it.

I always knew I was going to Megasquirt at some point. I am also helped by being familiar with it and having a friend who is an expert. I will say it runs FANTASTICALLY well on Megasquirt - and with some tuning the GM style ECU may as well.

I am running out of gear now, I need to get a hold of another transmission next, the Waggy has no issue pulling to 90+ now and it feels like there is a lot more room. MPG has improved drastically, now I don't see the needle drop every 20 minutes

I still have to work on the cold start enrichment a little ,it was fine until we got our first snow and super low temps - my remote starter wouldn't do it this morning. Had to get in and give some throttle.

Now that I have complete control, I may throw in an electric fan next and run a line for fan control.

I will take some finished pics of the conversion to Megasquirt later. l can post up my .MSQ if anyone is interested as well.

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Old 12-12-2016, 03:30 PM
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In the meantime, I do have these pics.

MS install location - you can;t see if from the seat, these are taken from the passenger floor area.





Finished up wiring, cleaning up harnesses.





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Old 12-13-2016, 10:25 AM
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Here is my MSQ

http://oarenj.com/jgw/ms/msq/MS2%201...01st%20WUE.zip

For a Megasquirt II, AMC 360 with GM TBI w/61pph, no smog, using onboard MAP, coolant temp sensor, intake air temp sensor, narrowband O2, HEI.
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Jeep toy: 1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
Megasquirt EFI
: Heated Seats : Blower fix : Driving light brackets : Shorty headers : Coil Packs : Electric Fans
Prior Jeeps: 1997 Jeep Wrangler TJ, 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited
Other toys: 1930 Model A (Hotrod), 1997 Ford Probe Turbo, 2000 Jaguar XJ8, 2005 VW Touareg
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Old 01-03-2017, 09:15 AM
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Updated MSQ, WUE much better.

Starts up with remote starter just fine again.

http://oarenj.com/jgw/ms/msq/MSQ-01012017.zip



In other news, I have put a stock sized muffler back on. After getting all of the tuning right I just couldn't tolerate the drone - neither could my buddy Ryan who took on the bulk (all) of the tuning and some of the long drives. I am much happier, as are neighbors, kids, etc going to this big, heavy muffler and a cat versus the straight though Borla I had prior.
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Jeep toy: 1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
Megasquirt EFI
: Heated Seats : Blower fix : Driving light brackets : Shorty headers : Coil Packs : Electric Fans
Prior Jeeps: 1997 Jeep Wrangler TJ, 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited
Other toys: 1930 Model A (Hotrod), 1997 Ford Probe Turbo, 2000 Jaguar XJ8, 2005 VW Touareg

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Old 01-20-2017, 09:08 PM
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What vehicle is the air cleaner housing off of.
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:15 PM
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It's one I had from another project. 1950s era Cadillac or Oldsmobile
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Jeep toy: 1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
Megasquirt EFI
: Heated Seats : Blower fix : Driving light brackets : Shorty headers : Coil Packs : Electric Fans
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Old 01-21-2017, 02:00 PM
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It is very unique.
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Old 01-23-2017, 02:14 PM
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It may be unique in the Jeep world, but it's quite common in the Hot Rod scene.

Many reproductions out there too at not much cost.
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Old 01-23-2017, 04:57 PM
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All you guys that can put non smog legal FI on your cars....
Only option for us in Calif is Howell
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Old 01-23-2017, 08:19 PM
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All you guys that can put non smog legal FI on your cars....
Only option for us in Calif is Howell

Or be like me, take a Saturday and drive to Oregon for a '75.
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Old 01-25-2017, 08:30 AM
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All you guys that can put non smog legal FI on your cars....
Only option for us in Calif is Howell

There is no reason you couldn't make a Megasquirt pass smog, it would be some work but its as configurable as anything that exists.
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All you guys that can put non smog legal FI on your cars....
Only option for us in Calif is Howell

Not 100% accurate. You can install an aftermarket system or modified OEM system.
The kicker is you have to visit a smog referee, if everything is installed/working correctly and it passes testing he will sign off on it.

While not specifically FSJ CA smog legal, the MSD Atomic EFI does have an EO# for chevy vehicles. Any sensible smog referee would likely allow it.
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Curious what the cost has been so far for the MS?
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Old 01-29-2017, 04:45 PM
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Guys you could definitely make megasquirt run clean enough for a sniff test but there is *no way* a smog referee would let it pass without an E.O. number for that specific year, make & model. Definitely get it in writing that a ref would pass it before starting work.
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Old 01-31-2017, 10:55 AM
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Curious what the cost has been so far for the MS?

That's a tough one. I actually started with a GM ECU style kit. The MS was built from spare parts and such so I really cannot say.

If you went my exact route for EFI , I'd say you'd be in it for ~$1500 but I have some unnecessary expense as I started with a kit.
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