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  • BillyWagoneer
    327 Rambler
    • May 04, 2012
    • 715

    About my previous thread regarding stock air cleaners

    87 gwag
    De Smogged
    Promar Amc 360 Ci
    .60 Over
    Melling MTA-1 Cam
    MSD Multi Spark TFI
    Holley TA
    Performer Intake
    Hedmann Full Length
    True Dual side pipes
    TF 727 & np229
    B&M Shift Kit
    12 Bolt rear & D44 front
    4.10's and ARB lockers
    SOA & shackle flip
    33 12x5's
    Empty wallet
  • serehill
    Gone,Never Forgotten.
    • Nov 22, 2009
    • 8619

    #2
    OK


    80 Cherokee
    360 ci 727 with
    Comp cams 270 h
    NP208
    Edlebrock performer intake
    Holley 4180
    Msd total multi spark.
    4" rusty's springs
    Member, FSJ Prissy Restoration Association

    If you can't make it better why waste your time. No use repeating the orignal mistakes. I'm to old to push it that's why.

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    • BillyWagoneer
      327 Rambler
      • May 04, 2012
      • 715

      #3
      i admit im asking for trouble with this one
      87 gwag
      De Smogged
      Promar Amc 360 Ci
      .60 Over
      Melling MTA-1 Cam
      MSD Multi Spark TFI
      Holley TA
      Performer Intake
      Hedmann Full Length
      True Dual side pipes
      TF 727 & np229
      B&M Shift Kit
      12 Bolt rear & D44 front
      4.10's and ARB lockers
      SOA & shackle flip
      33 12x5's
      Empty wallet

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      • REDONE
        304 AMC
        • Aug 19, 2002
        • 1752

        #4
        Originally posted by BillyWagoneer
        i admit im asking for trouble with this one
        Yeah yuh are. Why would you feed your engine all that hot air off your exhaust manifolds when you could give it nice cool air from the grill?

        Regardless, looks very nice!
        2012 Winner of the Prestigious Ouray Cast Iron Butt Award
        79 J-10 - The Money Badger!
        304/T18/D20/D44s
        What's been did:
        Holley 4160/Ede' S.P.2.P.
        MSD Streetfire based TFI
        Custom-hack gauge cluster
        Razor swap
        Fancy exhaust (Thrush Muffler)
        2 knob tape deck!
        3" homebuilt lift
        Half a hillbilly paint job

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        • FSJunkie
          The Nigel Tufnel of the FSJ world.
          • Jan 09, 2011
          • 4040

          #5
          i hope you enjoy rough running and stalls on warmup, cuz that's what you're gonna get with all the engine control systems adjusted for hot air on warmup.
          '72 Jeep Wagoneer Custom, 360 V8

          I love how arguements end as soon as Ristow comments. Ristow is right...again.

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          • BillyWagoneer
            327 Rambler
            • May 04, 2012
            • 715

            #6
            Starts up and idles better than before. And the stock air cleaner does not provide enough air for my 4bbl. thanks redone!
            Last edited by BillyWagoneer; 07-30-2012, 12:51 AM.
            87 gwag
            De Smogged
            Promar Amc 360 Ci
            .60 Over
            Melling MTA-1 Cam
            MSD Multi Spark TFI
            Holley TA
            Performer Intake
            Hedmann Full Length
            True Dual side pipes
            TF 727 & np229
            B&M Shift Kit
            12 Bolt rear & D44 front
            4.10's and ARB lockers
            SOA & shackle flip
            33 12x5's
            Empty wallet

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            • Jeepguy77
              350 Buick
              • Mar 16, 2008
              • 1183

              #7
              I dont have any problems with mine either. I know it only adds to the argument but people have been running open elements for years. I really don't think that little piece of dryer ducting te factory system has with all the turbulence and the small snorkel really is that much better when your engine isn't stock anymore.
              Last edited by Jeepguy77; 07-30-2012, 03:57 AM.
              Pierce,
              77 J10 454, TH400, D20,

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              • tgreese
                • May 29, 2003
                • 11682

                #8
                Disadvantages to the open-element air cleaner, aside from the cold-air hot-air point - 1. they are noisy. You will hear a sucking sound that you did not before. 2. your float bowl will dry out much faster.

                On a Jeep, I would add an external foam wrap.
                Tim Reese
                Maine beekeeper's truck: '77 J10 LWB, 258/T15/D20/3.54 bone stock, low options (delete radio), PS, hubcaps.
                Browless and proud: '82 J20 360/T18/NP208/3.73, Destination ATs, 7600 GVWR
                Copper Polly: '75 CJ-6, 304/T15, PS, BFG KM2s, soft top
                GTI without the badges: '95 VW Golf Sport 2000cc 2D
                ECO Green: '15 FCA Jeep Cherokee KL Trailhawk

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                • arktinkerer
                  232 I6
                  • Mar 20, 2004
                  • 52

                  #9
                  I remember pictures of intakes routed to the firewall and tapped into the vent below the window. From all I have seen this would seem to be the ideal place--no real change in pressure due to speed and a very short route to cooler outside air.

                  Anyone here done this or have feedback on this mod?

                  ArkTinkerer
                  ArkTinkerer

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                  • RWrightPhotog
                    327 Rambler
                    • Jun 07, 2011
                    • 639

                    #10
                    My Wagoneer came with a air filter like that.
                    Rob

                    1982 Jeep Wagoneer Limited 360
                    1979 Jeep Cherokee 4-Door 258
                    1979 Jeep Cherokee Chief 360

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                    • Stuka
                      • Jan 21, 2001
                      • 13743

                      #11
                      I have never had any cold start issues on either my V8 or i6 Jeeps with open air cleaners. That includes single digit temps (F).

                      I have always noticed a big jump in power however. You will most likely have to readjust your carb as it will now be leaner than it was before.

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                      • Jeepguy77
                        350 Buick
                        • Mar 16, 2008
                        • 1183

                        #12
                        It may be just me but I really like the noise involved with an open air cleaner at full throttle. But I am just 21 and my j10 isn't exactly quiet The new boss mustangs have a way to direct the sound into the cabin so you can here that amazing 5.0 breathe.
                        Pierce,
                        77 J10 454, TH400, D20,

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                        • #13
                          If you have a Holley or Motorcraft carb, fuel economy goes down due to lower vacuum in the intake from extra air flowing through the open element.
                          Jeep gauges are for amusement only. Any correlation between them and reality is purely coincidental.

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                          • addicted
                            Big Meanie
                            • Dec 11, 2004
                            • 4876

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Carnuck
                            If you have a Holley or Motorcraft carb, fuel economy goes down due to lower vacuum in the intake from extra air flowing through the open element.

                            Wait, what?
                            Originally posted by Ristow
                            i bet it was Simon....
                            he's such big meanie that way...
                            please don't tell him i said that....

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                            • Stuka
                              • Jan 21, 2001
                              • 13743

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Carnuck
                              If you have a Holley or Motorcraft carb, fuel economy goes down due to lower vacuum in the intake from extra air flowing through the open element.
                              I am not getting you. The carb is only going to flow so many CFM. Regardless if you have an open element or a snorkel (Forced induction changes this). But the vacuum is not going to change, unless of course you don't retune the carb for the extra air. Which is always required if you change the intake or the exhaust. As it can then run lean, which will effect the vacuum reading. But thats because the mixture is off, not because velocity is down due to having a large hole to suck air through. As a 2v carb is already undersized for a 360, its not going to outflow what the engine can take in.

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