info on bobing rear of wag/cherokee?

[blazer3664]

Been looking for a write up on bobing the rear of an SUV.
My stupid search thing must be broke, cause I can't find ANYTHING.
Nothing on doing a Wag/Cherokee, K5, Bronk, or Scout.

I could have sworn I had seen stuff about this before on the interweb.

Am I the only one thinking our (full bodied) rigs have a big butt hanging out back?
Sometime after I get it on the road, I plan on chopping the rear off right behind the shackles. I measured things a while back, and was thinking I could bring the tailgate section forward around 9".
Dont sound like much, till you figure out departure angles with your back bumper 9" closer to the tires.

If anybody knows where to find a article about this type of thing, let me know.

Thanks,

Jim

[Michael]

I did that on my wag years ago, many members have done it. Refine your search, someone must have written up on it.

[srobertsfsj]

Search on "dovetail rear" and lots comes up. I know its not the same but it might get you started.

[Dmntxn77]

The best one on the forum IMO...

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=75774&page=2

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=80377

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=82121

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=80757

[cmelo]

What about flipping the rear springs to move the wheelbase back a lot. That will improve your departure angle and all you would have to do is cut your wheel wells open. Somebody with a cherokee has done that on here very recently. Doing a bed bob on my j10 right now and I'm almost wishing I had started with a wag/cherokee so I could have not gone through all this work.

[Tad]

What about flipping the rear springs to move the wheelbase back a lot.

Or go with GM 63" springs?
Dime a dozen, punches it back 4-5" in the stock front location.
(I'd have to look up the actual amount mine did. It's been so long when I ride in a regular non-mod FSJ, I just do not remember, but it seems like a Scout)
You got wheel well stuff to deal with but most of us that push it back just deal with it

[wbarnhill]

Yea I did what cmelo is talking about. I flipped the front springs for about 2 inches of stretch and the rear for about 5 inches. This was a lot easier than going through the whole bobbing process. I ended up with around 115 inches of wheelbase and less than a foot of overhang in the back. For my needs it should be perfect. Here's a link to the thread if you want to check it out.

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=148475

[blazer3664]

Dmntxn77,
Thats what I was looking for, thanks.
I searched up, down, sideways, and backwards for something and never came across that. Knew somebody had done it.

For those who suggest moving my axles, too late.
Front spring are spun end for end moving the front axle ~2.5 forward, and I have F150 springs w/ my modified shackle flip and different perches in back so it is ~5-5.5" back.

With my current 37" tires (plan on 38-40" when I replace them) there isnt much hanging out in front of the tires, and the bumper I have planned wont stick out hardly at all. I figure until I get some more crawling experience, if it hits I should think hard about what I am about to do.
Rear is a different story. Still a lot of overhang back there.

My modified shackle flip out back put the shackle hangers ~9" from the rear of the frame.
My thoughts at this point are to cut 9" out between the side glass and rear body line that slopes like the back edge of that glass. Thats gona make it a bit harder than a straight cut through the window area ( like Tinman93's) but I can keep the full side glass.

Figure I'll cut and move the body first, then patch in a box channel where the frame will be cut, then cut off behind it.
May cut the frame a little short, and make the rear bumper tuck up under the body so it just barely sticks out.

I would love to have it where I could bump up against a wall tires first from either end, but I am not ready to give up that much of the body, yet. After I beat on it a while I may not have to worry about a body.

(sigh) OK I'll shut up now. I get soooo long winded sometimes.

Jim

[blazer3664]

The photo-chop Hammer linked in the first link Dmntxn77 listed is actualy about what I had in mind.http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/attac...0&d=1184704218

Notice where the side glass almost meets the body line I mentioned?

Add the rear axle moved back some, bigger wheel wells, and 37-40ish tires and it shouldn't drag butt anymore.

Thanks guys,

Jim

[TAWL_BOY]

That photoshopped Cherokee looked good. I think it looks better than factory that way.

[orangecherokee]

I did it. Cut 10" out of the frame and body. Pretty simple to do if you're half decent at body work.

[blazer3664]

I did it

Any "work in progress" pics?

Jim

[alwomac]

Tinman93 did a bob on the back of his Waggy and it is the sweetest I have ever seen. It looked factory. His Waggy was the most highly modified, stock looking rig I have ever seen. He has done a ton of custom fab on his rig to lift and tuck everything up tight but still look stock. If you aren't REALLY familiar with a Waggy you won't even notice his mods. I spent an hour talking to him about his rig one day and looking at his lift hatch in the rear and his bob work. I am sure you can find him on here. I haven't ever seen a build thread of his, but I bet he has some pictures on here somewhere. He is a great fabricator and went out of his way to let me check his Waggy out in person.

[Kris]

Heres some finished pics of TINMAN93's...

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=99600

k.

[blazer3664]

Yep, Tinman93's rig is the one Dmntxn77 linked to.

Looks good.