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  • o.r.t.
    230 Tornado
    • Jun 18, 2018
    • 4

    If it means I gotta join the board to get updates on this so be it.

    How's life and the build going Jim?

    Shane

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    • cu4whln
      304 AMC
      • May 16, 2008
      • 1699

      Originally posted by o.r.t.
      If it means I gotta join the board to get updates on this so be it.

      How's life and the build going Jim?

      Shane
      Shane who ?? lol

      So - getting ready for rust repair on the flairs.. and then body work. Then it will be onto paint... CHAA-CHING. ugh.

      Waiting on a driver lower rear 1/4 patch panel from BJs.. they are on back order I guess. plan it to use the truck flairs as a donor for flair repair... [ I got them from Tonka on a bed he was cutting up anyway ].

      Overall, plan to gut the body, take it off and leave it at the body shop .. then bring the chassis home for some freshening up. Probably will go through the 401 as it will be SO easy to do when the Jeep is apart anyway. And fuel injection.. DONE with carbs for now.

      Of course, this will be a color change.... and a new interior of sorts.. NOT going 100% original on this.. just "nice".

      I figure this will take a year as money is a bit tight these days !!

      It's not yours 'til ya bleed on it . . . https://forums.ifsja.org/core/images...s/rolleyes.png

      1977 "401" 'Da Chief
      1979 Chero: "Madness" [Sold]
      1972 J4000
      1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
      2005 Unlimited Rubicon - Built
      2012 Artic JK 4 door, 2016 JK 2 door

      'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

      Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
      http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

      "Madness" build here:
      http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280

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      • MadMax78
        258 I6
        • May 26, 2010
        • 289

        I totally understand time/funding slow downs. Mines still on the back burner till I can funnel time/funds her way. I do little things here and there when I can but till we get the crops in all I do is look at her and make a to do list.

        Keep posting your tips and tricks. I still love the one where you used the chrome door moulding all the way to the back. I have mine installed and it looks great. One day at a time and she?ll be ready to hit the road.
        MadMax78
        78 Cherokee Chief, Wide Track, 360, TH400, Quadra Trac, SOA, 35" BFG KM2, Edelbrock Carb & Intake

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        • o.r.t.
          230 Tornado
          • Jun 18, 2018
          • 4

          Originally posted by cu4whln
          Shane who ?? lol
          Message sent to hopefully jog the memory since apparently I can't get out to wheel much lately.

          Thanks for the update on the thread. I always like your and Al's threads so I figured I might as well join the board since I'm considering another Jeep build.
          Last edited by o.r.t.; 08-30-2018, 09:24 PM.

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          • cu4whln
            304 AMC
            • May 16, 2008
            • 1699

            Upgrade time! In the shop .. time for an engine swap!
            See new build thread link...http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

            Soo . . .

            64K mile 401 / Turbo 400 / Q-Trac with part time kit for sale.
            You could literally buy this, and drop it in your Jeep and drive ( pass drop). You can come hear it run (before I remove it in about 4 weeks). I will get a video of it.

            Complete running 401 Engine- $2500 NOW SOLD
            Original 401, runs well. 4 bbl Holly, New alt, PS pump. All belt and hoses new. Clutch fan included as well. Upgraded ignition included. Currently has Doug Thorley Headers - stock logs with air tubes (NOT cracked) avail if you don't want the headers.

            Turbo 400 - works perfectly, shift smoothly. $200 Free with engine purchase

            Q-Trac with Milemarker part time kit. $250. Free with engine purchase

            OIL LEAKS: FREE !

            Local pickup folks... OR you send someone to get it for you. Detroit MI area.

            [/IMG]
            Last edited by cu4whln; 04-06-2020, 09:06 PM.
            It's not yours 'til ya bleed on it . . . https://forums.ifsja.org/core/images...s/rolleyes.png

            1977 "401" 'Da Chief
            1979 Chero: "Madness" [Sold]
            1972 J4000
            1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
            2005 Unlimited Rubicon - Built
            2012 Artic JK 4 door, 2016 JK 2 door

            'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

            Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
            http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

            "Madness" build here:
            http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280

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            • cu4whln
              304 AMC
              • May 16, 2008
              • 1699

              LT Swap "Complete"

              Chero Update:

              Gen 5 LT swap basically done - driving.

              Check out the new drivetrain. Super happy with how it drives...

              Finally getting my life back on track and making time to get going on my build again... I picked this one up a few years ago to replace Madness (sold). Introducing 'Da Chief : 1977 401 auto / Q-Trac. Goal: To build a reliable decent Jeep, not a show car. [/url][/IMG] "The PLAN" : 3 Basic Steps Step 1: Swap in a


              EDIT:
              Cut and pasted "The (updated) Plan" from my other thread :

              __________________________________________________ _______________

              "The PLAN" : 3 Basic Steps

              Step 1:
              Swap in a modern drivetrain to tow our old Shasta camper cross country (RT 66) I struggled with tearing up an original "Z" code, but decent sheet metal is hard to find.
              However, I need total reliability when hauling my wife, dog, and camper on a 6,000 mile 6-8 week trip. Some fuel economy will also be nice.

              [/IMG]

              I plan to focus on getting the drivetrain installed and debugged first.
              If you don't know, the L83 is a "LT" series Gen 5 - 5.3 L with a 6L80 auto. ( NOT an LS series) There will be a lot of details on this set up.

              Why?
              Because the 2017 and up Gen V engines are a little more difficult due to the direct injection, VVT, AFM, - fuel challenges. This one came out of a 12k mile rear ended 2018 Yukon XL. 355 hp with 383 ft lbs.

              These newer series engines have a TON of stump pulling power due the VVT and direct injection. The auto trans also has a 4.02 first gear and 2 overdrives ( .85 / .67 ).
              With my current 33"s and the 3.54 ratio, this should work very well.

              Step 2:
              Get body work done ...
              [/IMG]
              Prep for paint. one of the possible colors is shown above. (Current color is sand)
              However, this will most likely be next year as this engine swap is going to be pretty involved and expensive.

              Step 3:
              Redo and update the interior. Upgrade to modern seats with adjustability... Build a center console.
              Eliminate the rear seat as I want more storage and an "Overlander" feel.
              This will also be a year out .. tons of details to work out.

              This will be a 2 year journey I suspect.

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              Last edited by cu4whln; 09-22-2020, 08:37 PM.
              It's not yours 'til ya bleed on it . . . https://forums.ifsja.org/core/images...s/rolleyes.png

              1977 "401" 'Da Chief
              1979 Chero: "Madness" [Sold]
              1972 J4000
              1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
              2005 Unlimited Rubicon - Built
              2012 Artic JK 4 door, 2016 JK 2 door

              'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

              Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
              http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

              "Madness" build here:
              http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280

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              • Rod2
                327 Rambler
                • Apr 11, 2004
                • 653

                I just went back through your posts and updates and found a few posts from '15 about and complaining over Warn "LOCK-O-MATIC" hubs. You did replace them, didn't you? And did you trash them? If so. where? You see, I've had them on my truck for 32 years, and as far as I know, they were on it originally in '73. Yes, I've had them apart, repaired them with 'yard' parts, and continue to use and love them. I do take precautions with them--I always "Lock" them while wheeling, but for errand running and normal driving, they are perfect for me. So if you know of any still lying around, feel free to share with me; I intend to run them forever.
                Rod Skaggs
                '73 J4000 'WOOD GO' 360, 2100 MC, T-18, D-20, 60-2 rear, D-44 closed knuckle front with Warn Lock-O-Matics, Eaton E-lockers both, Pertronix module, AC, PS, '77 Firebird tilt column, Hydro-boost, AirLift bags front and rear, 33x15 Goodyear MTR's, Pacer 15x8 aluminum Bullet Holes, Summit line lock, 3rd brake light, MileMarker 12,000 cradle mounted winch

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                • cu4whln
                  304 AMC
                  • May 16, 2008
                  • 1699

                  Hi Rod ..

                  Yes, I did replace them with regular Warn hubs. Originally, my buddy wanted them, but has since sold his project.. so, I got them back.. PM me and we can work something out I am sure...
                  It's not yours 'til ya bleed on it . . . https://forums.ifsja.org/core/images...s/rolleyes.png

                  1977 "401" 'Da Chief
                  1979 Chero: "Madness" [Sold]
                  1972 J4000
                  1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
                  2005 Unlimited Rubicon - Built
                  2012 Artic JK 4 door, 2016 JK 2 door

                  'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

                  Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
                  http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

                  "Madness" build here:
                  http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280

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                  • cu4whln
                    304 AMC
                    • May 16, 2008
                    • 1699

                    In Today's News . . .

                    So.. back to updating the Jeep on this build thread...

                    Over the last 5 months, I have installed a 2018 Yukon 5.3 and 6L80 trans. Adapted a 1982 Dana 300 to the trans. See the Gen V build thread in my sig for details on that part of my build.

                    BUT .. now it's time to move back to all the "other" stuff I need ( OK, want ) to do to my Jeep...

                    Let's start here.. after I put the front end back on.. I wanted to make the Chero a bit more presentable in the short term.. so, out came the orbital buffer.
                    The Jeep has sat outside a fair amount the last 3 years or so as I reassembled my life.. and had oxidized and faded quite a bit...

                    Note, the back part of the hood and how "hazy" it is... The front? I have used some heavy cutting compound and the buffer ... and brought the shine back.
                    Now, it's far from perfect, but you can see the fruits of your work right away. Not horrible for 40 year old paint!

                    [IMG][/IMG]

                    Next I waxed the Jeep to help keep it shiney.. and took the wife for a drive. Her comment: "This Jeep is bouncy! "

                    [IMG][/IMG]

                    And went to a Jeep "Cars-N-Coffee" .. First outing. Lots of interest in the Chero... many have never seen one or even knew it existed.

                    [IMG][/IMG]

                    Next . . . All the mundane stuff to make the Jeep better.
                    It's not yours 'til ya bleed on it . . . https://forums.ifsja.org/core/images...s/rolleyes.png

                    1977 "401" 'Da Chief
                    1979 Chero: "Madness" [Sold]
                    1972 J4000
                    1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
                    2005 Unlimited Rubicon - Built
                    2012 Artic JK 4 door, 2016 JK 2 door

                    'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

                    Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
                    http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

                    "Madness" build here:
                    http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280

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                    • cu4whln
                      304 AMC
                      • May 16, 2008
                      • 1699

                      The Mundane Stuff . . .

                      I have fought the vent windows since I got this Jeep.
                      The lock handle always falls down.
                      I still cannot figure out how to service the "wave" washer that long ago gave up its spring to hold the handle up when open.
                      Seems the handle is pinned in place permanently?

                      So, Plan "B" .. hmm.
                      After thinking on it.. I figured maybe I could wedge something in the space next to the spring to add some resistance?
                      Went to the local hardware store and got a few sizes of these ... e clips

                      [IMG][/IMG]

                      Next, I figured out which one would "fit" over the pivot.. I think it was a 5/16" e clip?

                      Sorry for the fuzzy pic.. but note the magnet to catch the clip WHEN you drop it out of the pliers...
                      I used the needle nose to get the clip sort of started on the shaft....

                      [/IMG]

                      Look closely.. in front of the round magnet, and you can see the e clip ready to snap in next to the wave washer.

                      [/IMG]

                      I used a small flat blade screwdriver to snap it into position..

                      [/IMG]

                      A test drive... and the vent handles now stays up!

                      A small, but irritating issue solved.. for now.

                      It's the small things..
                      It's not yours 'til ya bleed on it . . . https://forums.ifsja.org/core/images...s/rolleyes.png

                      1977 "401" 'Da Chief
                      1979 Chero: "Madness" [Sold]
                      1972 J4000
                      1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
                      2005 Unlimited Rubicon - Built
                      2012 Artic JK 4 door, 2016 JK 2 door

                      'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

                      Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
                      http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

                      "Madness" build here:
                      http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280

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                      • cu4whln
                        304 AMC
                        • May 16, 2008
                        • 1699

                        Hitch Day .. UGH

                        So, I was originally never going to tow anything with the 401.. but that has all changed with the RT 66 trip and new engine.

                        So, I recovered my original factory hitch and wiring from my buddy who "stored" it for me for 5 years! lol [ Thanks Dan ! ]

                        I figured this would be a no brainer, easy .. NOPE.

                        I forgot this thing is made from 1/4 thick steel.. It is heavy !! Dang.
                        I had a ton [ pun intended ] of trouble holding this thing up and trying to install it.
                        Almost smashed my face when I lost control of it.. uh oh.

                        [/IMG]

                        Then, after fighting it "almost" into position.. I saw that the new tailpipe was going to interfere with the hitch. Dammit!!

                        So out comes the cutoff wheel.. and much cutting later, removed the small section that would hit... THEN had to fight it back into position and bolt it up.

                        I was so beat after this, I didn't even bother with the wires yet.. Anybody have details on this? Specifically, the large wire with the black connector on it?
                        It's not yours 'til ya bleed on it . . . https://forums.ifsja.org/core/images...s/rolleyes.png

                        1977 "401" 'Da Chief
                        1979 Chero: "Madness" [Sold]
                        1972 J4000
                        1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
                        2005 Unlimited Rubicon - Built
                        2012 Artic JK 4 door, 2016 JK 2 door

                        'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

                        Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
                        http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

                        "Madness" build here:
                        http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280

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                        • 78 WIDETRAC
                          350 Buick
                          • Aug 19, 2003
                          • 844

                          I just unplugged my towing box from the 79 chief. It plugs into the factory harness. at least mine did. I don't remember a plug that looked like that though. If it wasn't dark out I go crawl under it and get a pic.

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                          • cu4whln
                            304 AMC
                            • May 16, 2008
                            • 1699

                            Originally posted by 78 WIDETRAC
                            I just unplugged my towing box from the 79 chief. It plugs into the factory harness. at least mine did. I don't remember a plug that looked like that though. If it wasn't dark out I go crawl under it and get a pic.
                            Please do! I "think" this may be a feed for a brake controller? idk really...

                            Also, note the in line single plugs .. are they really just connected together like this?

                            Maybe a pic of all the connections please ??

                            TIA ..
                            It's not yours 'til ya bleed on it . . . https://forums.ifsja.org/core/images...s/rolleyes.png

                            1977 "401" 'Da Chief
                            1979 Chero: "Madness" [Sold]
                            1972 J4000
                            1985 CJ : Renegade -locked and loaded
                            2005 Unlimited Rubicon - Built
                            2012 Artic JK 4 door, 2016 JK 2 door

                            'Da Chief here: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showt...ighlight=chief

                            Round 2- LT Swap: 'Da Chief:
                            http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=188457

                            "Madness" build here:
                            http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=89280

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                            • 78 WIDETRAC
                              350 Buick
                              • Aug 19, 2003
                              • 844

                              I hope these help.



                              This is a pic of the box plugged back in line using the factory harness.





                              This is The tow harness removed and the harness reconnected.





                              My wiring is a mess under there but here is a pic of it and the connectors some factory some not.






                              We seem to have the same hitch. My jeep had the 2nd fuel tank. I had to remove it because it was full of rusty gas.






                              This is from the 79 Chief.

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                              • rang-a-stang
                                Administrator
                                • Oct 31, 2016
                                • 5456

                                Mine looks exactly the same as 78 WIDETRACs. Same hitch, same electronic box, same connectors. I also had to trim my hitch to fit my exhaust. I have a spare tire hanging in my mine, though. The relays in that box are REALLLLLY loud. I can hear them clicking more than the clicker under my dash! HAHAHA!

                                My understanding is all that box does is separate the trailer light power from the Cherk harness so when you plug a trailer in, the blinkers blink at the same frequency and you don't blow fuses when you turn the lights on.

                                I also have a thick blue wire under my dash that is not connected to anything and a 2 pin connector under my cargo area that has that blue wire and another one (maybe ground?). So all the wiring is there for a 7 pin RV style connector/brake controller but I am 90% sure the electronic brake feed does not go through the box.
                                Chuck McTruck 71 J4000
                                (Chuck McTruck Build Thread)
                                79 Cherokee Chief (SOLD, goodbye old buddy)
                                (Cherokee Build Thread)
                                11 Nissan Pathfinder Silver Edition 4x4
                                09 Mazdaspeed3 Grand Touring
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