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Old 08-10-2000, 07:16 PM
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Well now that I did all the hair pulling over springs it looks like I will end up doing a body lift for now. At less than $100.00 I can cure the tire rubbing in the wheel well problem and spend the rest of the would be spring money on replacing the transmission in my wife’s Park Avenue. Let me see, 3" body lift then 3" spring lift. Hey folks now I see how you get away with this stuff with the better halve's.

So now what you ask? Well could I get your humble opinions on the body lifts? Performance Accessories and Trail Master have them here: Ummmb...Body Lifts
Do you know of any others? Maybe I should just lift the Buick and take it Elk hunting this year. It may be less time consuming. TIA

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Old 08-11-2000, 04:34 AM
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I ordered the performance accessories lift. There are two different ones, one has 10 blocks the other has 12. Make sure you get the right one if you order that. I was going to get the trail master but they were all out and would not get anymore for about 6 to 8 weeks when I called. There is no real difference in the two in my opinion.

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Old 08-11-2000, 06:46 AM
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I built my own body lift kit using some really thick black plastic pipe cut to the amount of lift I wanted, some washers used for a guide inside the pipe, and 10 six inch long 5/8" bolts. Most of this was made from items I had laying around. I had to buy the new bolts and washers. 2 1/2 inches of lift for about eight bucks.


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Old 08-11-2000, 12:28 PM
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ive got the performance accessories lift as well. i got the wrong kit,but it worked out for the better. i only had to buy a couple of bolts to make it work,and i made 2 more body mounts on the rear crossmember using the extra blocks. i went this rout for basically same reasons:cheap,quick,and easy. and becasue i couldnt cut anymore than i allready have.

the biggest complaint about body lifts is the space between the bumpers and the body. the kits dont come with bumper brackets,so youll have to make some,or fill in the gaps with somethig else. it didnt bother me,since i have homemade bumpers. you cant really even tell in the front. the back you can tell,but, its for the woods,so it doesnt really matter.
the other downfall is that it doesnt really increase ground clearance(except for that which comes with the use of larger tires) a suspension lift increases your breakover angle,while body lift does not.

the other thing is that every type of maintenance that a person could perform on a truck is 10 times easier. everything form pulling the tranny to changing the oil. i even have enough room to unbolt and remove my transfer case without removing the tranny crossmember!



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38x15.5 gumbo mudders
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Old 08-11-2000, 02:16 PM
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I have not installed my body lift yet. I have a SOA and have trimed up the fender wells alittle so right now I have to much room with my 32X11.50's. I do not want to install the body lift until I get my 35's otherwise it will look real strange with the "tiny" tires on it. Also I have to do some fabing because I have a '67 and the kit is for later Jeeps. I hope to have it done this winter though.

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Old 08-11-2000, 04:14 PM
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Did any of you guys who did the body lifts have any major problem removing the old bolts? Did you need any special tools (ie. torch, impact driver,etc.)?

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Old 08-11-2000, 04:28 PM
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The only problem I encountered was having two of the nuts that are tack welded in the body break loose. I had to pry open the metal around the nut and reweld it to the body.
I also had to lengthen the shifter linkage a couple inches (cut the head off a bolt of the same diameter and welded it in place).
The small clamps that hold the E-brake cables had to be unbolted from the frame on each side. The whole installation went better than expected but plan on about half a day.

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Old 08-12-2000, 07:14 AM
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So I guess nobody has tries the trail master kit? Maybe I will try that one, you know, like a FSJeeper, and be diffrent.

Which one is the right one for my "83", the 10 or 12 block kit? Ok irbob get off your behind and look. Alright I will.

DLyons, your the man. Just what kind of heavy duty plastic was that you used for the blocks?

Well looks like I better hop under the old Jeep and WD those bolts cuz I will order that kit tomorrow. I will get lots of pics and post in my Yahoo briefcase.


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Old 08-12-2000, 11:38 AM
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What kind of thick plastic pipe you ask?
I'll tell you but don't laugh because it worked. Have you ever noticed in front of the local Kmart garden center the black plastic tables they stack the flowers and trees on.
Well I work at Kmart so I borrowed a couple spare legs for these tables. They are increddibly strong and the perfect diameter for the body lift. I used my miter saw and cut ten spacers at 2 1/2 inches. Worked great. Now, please don't go to Kmart and steal all the legs off the tables!

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Old 08-12-2000, 12:09 PM
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I have some errands to make and quess what? Kmart's on the way. hehehehe

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Old 08-12-2000, 01:31 PM
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Hey irbob, both River Beast and GM Killer have the trailmaster body lift on there rigs. If you can get a hold of one of them they can tell you how the install went. They even gave me their extra blocks since I have 14 points on my '67.

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Old 08-13-2000, 02:58 AM
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irbob,

I have the Trailmaster 3" kit (#9315) but paid too much for it at the time. I had the same problems as mentioned above... busted blind nuts, rusty bolts, you name it. The kit comes with the extension rods for your linkage(s)as with as couple of wrong sized bolts (as mentioned in another post) I had to buy 4 bolts in the proper length and size. I guess they have a wide variance of bodymount bolts for the years listed on the kit.

Good luck... took me 8-10 hours by myself to tackle the job... would have been 6-8 if it weren't for busted blind nuts in the frame.

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78 Wagoneer "River Beast"
360/TH400/QT
Dana 44's (soon to be 4.88's)
7" SOA conversion
4" Skyjacker Softride
3" Trailmaster Bodylift
33x12.50's on 15x10's
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Old 08-13-2000, 09:24 AM
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Im going to put a 3in body on my wag soon, I have some questions about the lift.

1. Did you guys have to take off the linkage to weld the extension on it?

2. Is it true you don't have to get new gas hoes? You can just re-rout the same hoes over the frame hole?

3. Was moving the radiator a must? if it is, was it difficult to relocate 3in down?

4. Brake lines? Man of man, it looks like a pain to bend some more slack in those hard lines coming from the master cylinder. Was it difficult?

5. Transfer case linkage, does it have to be lenghtened or adjusted?

I would greatly appreciate any help on these matters.


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Old 08-13-2000, 05:56 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Marc_01:
Im going to put a 3in body on my wag soon, I have some questions about the lift.

1. Did you guys have to take off the linkage to weld the extension on it?

2. Is it true you don't have to get new gas hoes? You can just re-rout the same hoes over the frame hole?

3. Was moving the radiator a must? if it is, was it difficult to relocate 3in down?

4. Brake lines? Man of man, it looks like a pain to bend some more slack in those hard lines coming from the master cylinder. Was it difficult?

5. Transfer case linkage, does it have to be lenghtened or adjusted?

I would greatly appreciate any help on these matters.


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Here are your answers:

1. It is best to remove your linkage for the welding.... can be done on the rig but if you got a QT the Low Range lever is WA"Y TOO CLOSE TO THE TANK.

2. Yes... you can re-route your hoses. no new ones are needed.

3. Yes... moving the radiator is a must. Just measure 3" lower from the existing mounting holes and you have a lowered radiator.... if your don't... your shroud will be chewed to bits as well as your trans. cooling lines.

4. No bending required on the brake lines. They are coiled just below the master cylinder and will easily compensate the lift on their own.

5. As stated in #1... highly recommended to remove it. I'm not sure on the T-case linkage... I have a QT.

4 out of 5 ain't bad

Good luck... it's about an 8 hour job goin' solo with no rusted bolts. Remember to remove your bumpers BEFORE jacking the body off the frame (body lips will catch under the bumper) and check for wire bundles zip tied to the frame in the rear.


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360/TH400/QT
Dana 44's (soon to be 4.88's)
7" SOA conversion
4" Skyjacker Softride
3" Trailmaster Bodylift
33x12.50's on 15x10's
(soon 38.5x14.50's on 12's)
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Old 08-13-2000, 06:22 PM
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i have been wanting to put a 2" on my wag but like anyone that wants to do it, i have some questions too.

i have been wanting to install a B&M floor shifter on the 727, would this type of shifter have to be modified in any way?

the radiator wont be any prob because i should have an electric fan up front soon.

are there any way of getting around welding on the transfer case linkage to make it work. are there any kits out there that have an adapter of sorts to make it work properly, cause i have no acess to a welder.



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Old 08-14-2000, 04:05 AM
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From what i know, the b&m floor shifters work off a cable, so it can be mounted anywhere. Here is what summit has to say about one of the B&M's.

Part# BMM-80675
DESCRIPTION:
A detent and a rachet shifter all in one.

"The B&M Starshifter normally works like a standard detent shifter but by simply pulling the lockout trigger and moving the stick to low it becomes a full rachet action shifter for quick gear changes. With a cable operated mechanism, universal floor mount console, NHRA/IHRA approved reverse lockout, neutral safety switch and polished aluminum T-handle the Starshifter is at home on the street or the track."

Here is the shifter im talking about at summit.
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Old 08-15-2000, 11:05 AM
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Sent for the Performance Parts 3" lift today. (Out of the Trailmaster kit) It cost $69.95. $82.29 with shipping and handling. Ordered it through Four Wheel Wholesalers at 1-800-421-1050. Talked to Bob at extention #5110. He said that they sell 20 of those a week where they only sell 1 a week of the Trailmaster lifts. Probley because they are out of them whenever someone calls. In his opinion the Performance Parts lifts are made of higher quality materials. Now, was he just trying to make a sale? I don't know. Go figure.

List of things to do while waiting for the kit to arrive:
1. WD bolts (loosen when ready)
2. Remove bumpers
3. Remove txfer linkage
4. Check/loosen brake lines
5. Lower radiator
6. Disconnect fuel filler hose(what end)
7. Think about what to do with the stearing linkage(will this thing be long enouph)
8. Start fab of bumper lifters.

What have I missed fellow FSJeepers? I want to be ready to slam this lift in when it arrives.

P.S. Anyone buy the "Gap Guards". I guess they are rubber pieces that cover the gap in the wheel wells after installing the body lift. 40 some odd dollars. I told Bob I would have to see how it looks before buying em.

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Old 08-15-2000, 01:45 PM
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I have a B&M Z-gate shifter. Ilove it.about 2 hour total installation. It takes longer to remove old linkage and rework column than to install.

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Old 08-15-2000, 02:47 PM
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the star shifter is nice


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Old 08-15-2000, 05:57 PM
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i left my radiator in the stock place.im using an electric fan and it ended up working better for me to leave it there.

i had the little rod welded to the rod from my column shifter.i dont know about the xfer case. i havent ever used my plastic flag shifter(im not even sure why its still there!) when i first installed the lift,i was using a shifter from a wrangler with the 207 i was using.now im using the currie twin stick with my dana 300. both of these types bolt to the tranny or t case and pop up thru the floor. neither have turned out tooshort because of the floor being 3 inches higher.

i did the same thing brake lines-simply let them stretch. i also had the same trouble with the 2 rearmost bolts-nut broke loose and spun around inside the body.

the other thing thats a PITA is the front 2 core support body mounts. theres a very small access hole to put a wrench on the nut. once you finagle it inthere,have someone else turn the wratchet that you have installed several extensions on to be able to turn it up high,out of the engine compartment.it is d*** near impossible to turn the wratchet and hold the wrnech at the same time.



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38x15.5 gumbo mudders
snorkel/dual batteries/onboard air/"custom" convertable
3 inch body lift/mostly stock suspension/"modified" fender openings
custom front/rear bumpers and brushgaurd

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