International Full Size Jeep Association
Home Forums Reader's Rigs Tech Library Trail Stories FSJ-List
International Full Size Jeep Association  

Go Back   International Full Size Jeep Association > Tire Kickin' > General FSJ Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-12-2018, 12:37 AM
ZackN920's Avatar
ZackN920 ZackN920 is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Nov 18, 2015
Location: Stephenson County, IL
Posts: 877
Thinkin' about doing the headliner... the right way

Hey guy's. I'm replacing the crappy stained sagging headliner in my Cherokee, and that got me thinking about the wagon. When I picked up new headliner fabric from JoAnn's Fabrics, I saw they had some that would look great in the wagon. Nice color match.

Right now the wagon has a bed sheet cut to shape, and thumb tacked to the headliner board/old foam backing. I did that right after buying the Jeep because I quickly became tired of the old material snowing inside the Jeep...

I'm posting here though because I can't figure out how i'm going to get the 2 headliners out without damaging the plastic molding/trim that holds it in. How would I get the molding that separates the 2 pieces out? Do I take out the thin trim work at the edges (above the door openings)? If so, How? Its just that trim work i'm unsure of for now. Really dont wan't to damage it all up if I make an attemp at doing the headliner in the Wagon.
__________________
1990 Grand Wagoneer-"The Crapwagon"
AMC 360, TF727, NP229, 3.31gears, 2" lift
Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
...still kinda rusty

The other's
1926 Dodge Brothers 5 pass. Business Sedan 212-I4, 3 speed, CRANK START (new long term project)
1987 Lincoln Town Car "Signature Series" 5.0, AOD unknown gears
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9,A999TF,3.90gears(DD)
1994 GMC 'Burban L05-5.7,4L60E,3.73gears(DD)
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0,AW4,3.73gears(thinkin of selling)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-12-2018, 08:52 AM
ShagWagon ShagWagon is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Apr 10, 2016
Location: Oregon Coast
Posts: 840
I only had to remove the very back trim to do mine. The headliner board bends, tucks, and snaps into the trim channels.

You do t remove all the molding. That's what holds it in.
__________________
87 GW- Fitech EFI,Fitech FCC,Skyjacker Hydro 4" lift,BFG AT KO2 30",Dynamax muffler,MSD distributor,MSD 6al box,Blaster2 coil,ACCEL 8mm,.045 gap,Edlebrock perf 4bbl intake,Elgin perf cam,HD alum radiator,Powermaster 150alt,Alum HD H2O pump,Serhills tailgate harness,Cowl screen mod,Evil Twin grab handles,Rstep's custom AMC lock knobs
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-12-2018, 02:12 PM
8man's Avatar
8man 8man is offline
304 AMC
 
Join Date: Jan 04, 2011
Location: Bryan, Texas
Posts: 1,545
I just reinstalled the headliner board and the center "plastic" bar was in place. So reverse engineering would say that you can take out the headliner with the plastic center bar in place. There are metal strips on each end that unscrew, and you work the headliner away from the plastic center bar. At least that's how it worked for me.
__________________
79 Cherokee S (current project)
82 Cherokee (parts for the 79)

Member FSJ Prissy Restoration Association
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-13-2018, 12:44 AM
ZackN920's Avatar
ZackN920 ZackN920 is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Nov 18, 2015
Location: Stephenson County, IL
Posts: 877
Really guys?! That's awesome! So leave the side molding and the center bar alone... Ok, sounds good to me.
I can't remember, but I don't think there is a metal strip at the front by the windshield... Isn't that only held by the visor mounts, the visor pegs, and the center console? I think its only the back with the metal strip(held with screws).

I couldn't find info on this (that still had pics, or detailed description of the process) other than one that completely butchered the trim work. They broke apart that separator piece between the 2 headliner boards trying to get that out.
__________________
1990 Grand Wagoneer-"The Crapwagon"
AMC 360, TF727, NP229, 3.31gears, 2" lift
Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
...still kinda rusty

The other's
1926 Dodge Brothers 5 pass. Business Sedan 212-I4, 3 speed, CRANK START (new long term project)
1987 Lincoln Town Car "Signature Series" 5.0, AOD unknown gears
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9,A999TF,3.90gears(DD)
1994 GMC 'Burban L05-5.7,4L60E,3.73gears(DD)
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0,AW4,3.73gears(thinkin of selling)
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-13-2018, 09:15 AM
SJTD SJTD is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Apr 26, 2012
Location: Lompoc and Sunland, CA
Posts: 1,270
Should be a metal strip on the front too.

The divider is two pieces. The inner part is attached to one of the metal supports and has a groove. The outer part has a rib that pops into the groove.

Shouldn't have to remove it but not a big deal if you do.

Are your boards in good shape? Mine were warped so I had to fab new ones.
__________________
Sic friatur crustulum

'84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-14-2018, 05:17 PM
ZackN920's Avatar
ZackN920 ZackN920 is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Nov 18, 2015
Location: Stephenson County, IL
Posts: 877
There was a strip up front. I couldn't remember it beforehand.

My boards are in good shape.

So, guess what I did yesterday and today? I ripped out the headliners and cleaned my boards off. Got new material on them and them all set up to go back in. Got the front back in. Having problems with the back.

I NEED to get that outer divider out. I cannot get the rear headliner back in with it all together up there. The board will not go in between the pieces up there, and with the front being in, it is putting too much pressure on it to just slip the back one in. How do I get this thing OUT???? I tried light prying and I'm afraid of breaking it or putting some serious stress marks in it.
__________________
1990 Grand Wagoneer-"The Crapwagon"
AMC 360, TF727, NP229, 3.31gears, 2" lift
Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
...still kinda rusty

The other's
1926 Dodge Brothers 5 pass. Business Sedan 212-I4, 3 speed, CRANK START (new long term project)
1987 Lincoln Town Car "Signature Series" 5.0, AOD unknown gears
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9,A999TF,3.90gears(DD)
1994 GMC 'Burban L05-5.7,4L60E,3.73gears(DD)
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0,AW4,3.73gears(thinkin of selling)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-14-2018, 10:33 PM
SJTD SJTD is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Apr 26, 2012
Location: Lompoc and Sunland, CA
Posts: 1,270
Mines still out so I'll fuss with it tomorrow and see if there's some trick to it. I don't remember it being a problem but I may have taken it down with the inner piece still attached.
__________________
Sic friatur crustulum

'84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-15-2018, 10:59 AM
Tripwire's Avatar
Tripwire Tripwire is offline
hey,does anyone here know how to.......
 
Join Date: Jul 30, 2000
Location: WA State
Posts: 4,393
Be sure to replace all the roofrack grommets/nuts and seal the cargo strip screws BEFORE you re-do the headliner

Or you will have a nice new headliner with stains - ask me how i know

BJ's or TGW sells them
__________________
Abort? Retry? Ignore? >

86 GrandWag. Howell fuel Injected 360. MSD Ignition + Dizzy. 727/229 swap BJ's 2" Lift and 31's

88 Wrangler 4.2, Howell TBI and MSD - Borla Headers w/ Cat-back + winch and 31's AND a M416 trailer (-:
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-15-2018, 11:39 AM
ZackN920's Avatar
ZackN920 ZackN920 is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Nov 18, 2015
Location: Stephenson County, IL
Posts: 877
Looked like it only had them on the edges of the roof. I didn't find a reason to replace them. They were still nice and supple feeling, none appeared to be damaged and I had absolutely no signs of leakage. Not even from the screws going straight through the roof for the strips. I did caulk them screws up though. I then put insulation up there, so there is no going back and messing with it for now. ...Unless I want to take it all apart again.

So, I don't think, and at least hope that it shouldn't develop stains up there. No signs of previous leakage on the headliner boards either. Back is a little sagged on each side of the light, but not bad.

Hey, Where can I get new little washer/retainer things that hold the rear light up? I was surprised it wasn't screws up in there! Of coarse those 2 "holders/washer/thingamajigs" were destroyed getting them out...

Thanks SJTD. Just get back some time.
I think I do have a plan for it though. I'm thinking, that ill pull the rear headliner back a bit, and pry from the other side at an edge to see if I can get part of that barb set up, out of the track. May pry on the track a bit too, if I can get a small tool in there. If I can get it started, I'm sure I could work the rest of it out. Hopefully without damage.
I'm surprised the service manual doesn't have a procedure for this. It just says to remove it, if the headliner has to come out.
__________________
1990 Grand Wagoneer-"The Crapwagon"
AMC 360, TF727, NP229, 3.31gears, 2" lift
Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
...still kinda rusty

The other's
1926 Dodge Brothers 5 pass. Business Sedan 212-I4, 3 speed, CRANK START (new long term project)
1987 Lincoln Town Car "Signature Series" 5.0, AOD unknown gears
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9,A999TF,3.90gears(DD)
1994 GMC 'Burban L05-5.7,4L60E,3.73gears(DD)
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0,AW4,3.73gears(thinkin of selling)
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-15-2018, 11:41 AM
SJTD SJTD is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Apr 26, 2012
Location: Lompoc and Sunland, CA
Posts: 1,270
So I looked at mine.

Looks like the inner piece straddles the forward edge of the center roof support and was held up by plastic fir tree fasteners. Since I'm doing something different I only have the outer two fasteners still on the inner piece piece right now but I'm pretty sure there was one every eight inches or so since I made new supports for them.

It looks like you could pry the strip out of the support but you might damage it so I would get up under the inner piece and pry out the fir trees and take out both pieces together. They should bow downward for this. Then you can straighten the side curves and slide the two pieces apart.

I assume that's what I did but it was quite a while ago.
__________________
Sic friatur crustulum

'84 GW with Nissan SD33T, early Chev NV4500, 300, narrowed Ford reverse 44, narrowed Ford 60, SOA/reversed shackle in fornt, lowered mount/flipped shackle in rear.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-15-2018, 12:03 PM
ZackN920's Avatar
ZackN920 ZackN920 is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Nov 18, 2015
Location: Stephenson County, IL
Posts: 877
THANK YOU!!!! So I can pull the whole thing out as one, and split the 2 pieces on the bench. That is great, and if any of those "fir tree fasteners"(ive never known what to call those things) break, I can easily replace them things. They are widely available at the parts stores.
__________________
1990 Grand Wagoneer-"The Crapwagon"
AMC 360, TF727, NP229, 3.31gears, 2" lift
Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
...still kinda rusty

The other's
1926 Dodge Brothers 5 pass. Business Sedan 212-I4, 3 speed, CRANK START (new long term project)
1987 Lincoln Town Car "Signature Series" 5.0, AOD unknown gears
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9,A999TF,3.90gears(DD)
1994 GMC 'Burban L05-5.7,4L60E,3.73gears(DD)
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0,AW4,3.73gears(thinkin of selling)
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-15-2018, 11:56 PM
ZackN920's Avatar
ZackN920 ZackN920 is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Nov 18, 2015
Location: Stephenson County, IL
Posts: 877
Well, all right

That worked out pretty smooth... Once I knew what I could do. Didn't need any special tools either, just my hands. It pulled out pretty good when I made attempts to take the support out. Just them fasteners holding it. Then when on the bench I slipped the trim piece out of the channel in it, and put the backer back in.
I'm wondering if it wouldnt have held up without repair if i were to have just tried prying the trim piece out. Looked like it may have had some stress cracks allready in its mount...

So, headliner is all in now.

Heres a before and after pic for all of y'all.

I honestly don't think that was too bad, but I did that just as a temporary thing because I didn't want the old deteriorated foam falling on my head all of the time...Doing the Cherokee last week inspired me to do this one. Never done this stuff before. Not too bad of a job I guess


Some insulation in it now. Did the same with the Cherokee first and figured I had enough left.

Finished product


Not sure what I'm doing with the overhead console yet. I got it stripped off the old material right now because of the material already falling off of it and splatter marks on it
I have it sanded and I'm not sure if I should just paint it or try to recover it. Looks like it may be interesting to try to recover it with the bends... Don't want to find out it needs material that is already fitted, cause I could see it having fold marks in it if I use standard flat material.
__________________
1990 Grand Wagoneer-"The Crapwagon"
AMC 360, TF727, NP229, 3.31gears, 2" lift
Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
...still kinda rusty

The other's
1926 Dodge Brothers 5 pass. Business Sedan 212-I4, 3 speed, CRANK START (new long term project)
1987 Lincoln Town Car "Signature Series" 5.0, AOD unknown gears
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9,A999TF,3.90gears(DD)
1994 GMC 'Burban L05-5.7,4L60E,3.73gears(DD)
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0,AW4,3.73gears(thinkin of selling)
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-16-2018, 07:30 AM
chrism chrism is offline
327 Rambler
 
Join Date: Apr 07, 2002
Location: Derby, NY
Posts: 634
That looks great!

I bought my cherokee from a guy who stripped the interior to paint then lost all of the parts in a move. Other than a junkyard (I have not been able to find any FSJ's locally) do you guys know if there is anywhere I can get the front/back trim pieces, center bow, and the side J channels?
__________________
1979 Cherokee
1979 CJ-7
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-16-2018, 07:46 AM
SOLSAKS's Avatar
SOLSAKS SOLSAKS is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Jul 25, 2016
Location: Benson. NC
Posts: 769
chrism,

try watson and sons jeep salvage in pinetown, nc

ask for kenny watson

he is a member on this forum
either under his name or business name.

they are honest, fair and helpful.

dave in NC
__________________
SOLSAKS - dave
1976 J-10 HONCHO Fleetside
1982 J-10 Fleetside
1988 grand wagoneer
2004 RUBICON jeep
Benson, NC
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-16-2018, 10:14 AM
rang-a-stang's Avatar
rang-a-stang rang-a-stang is offline
360 AMC
 
Join Date: Oct 31, 2016
Location: Camarillo, CA
Posts: 2,664
Holy night and day difference! That looks awesome!
__________________
79 Cherokee Chief, barely runs
(Cherokee Build Thread)
11 Nissan Pathfinder Silver Edition 4x4
09 Mazdaspeed3 Grand Touring
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 04-17-2018, 12:25 AM
ZackN920's Avatar
ZackN920 ZackN920 is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Nov 18, 2015
Location: Stephenson County, IL
Posts: 877
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrism
That looks great!

I bought my cherokee from a guy who stripped the interior to paint then lost all of the parts in a move. Other than a junkyard (I have not been able to find any FSJ's locally) do you guys know if there is anywhere I can get the front/back trim pieces, center bow, and the side J channels?
Thanks a lot!

Man, that sucks. Yea, no fsj's in the local yard here either. Last one was the worst rust bucket of a car ive ever seen and has since been crushed...

Probably have to check around here. Put up a wanted add and hopefully you'll find someone not too far away that's parting a Jeep out. Or get an expensive new headliner That wont help though, with you needing all the little trim work.


Quote:
Originally Posted by rang-a-stang
Holy night and day difference! That looks awesome!
Thanks!


Not too thrilled about some of the handling marks but, whatcha gunna do about it? Maybe they'll disappear after awhile. Its just the foam that's a little squished.

Well, for now i've decided to just paint the overhead console. Don't want to spend anymore money for cloth at the moment... That and it'll be something different for ahwile. I found somewhere about how someone used an undercoating to give the plastic a texture after sanding off the old glue and reminents. I kind of like that idea, so im doing the same thing.

I stripped all the lights, the keyless module, and the temp/compass module off of it and sanded it down. Put 2 layers of some undercoating I still have on it and 3 thin layers of semi gloss black. I was thinking of doing body color, but unless it was really bright inside the jeep, the color would never be noticed. It would still look black (Jeep is Black Cherry)
__________________
1990 Grand Wagoneer-"The Crapwagon"
AMC 360, TF727, NP229, 3.31gears, 2" lift
Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
...still kinda rusty

The other's
1926 Dodge Brothers 5 pass. Business Sedan 212-I4, 3 speed, CRANK START (new long term project)
1987 Lincoln Town Car "Signature Series" 5.0, AOD unknown gears
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9,A999TF,3.90gears(DD)
1994 GMC 'Burban L05-5.7,4L60E,3.73gears(DD)
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0,AW4,3.73gears(thinkin of selling)
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 04-17-2018, 08:12 AM
ShagWagon ShagWagon is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Apr 10, 2016
Location: Oregon Coast
Posts: 840
Looks good!

I forgot to recommend undercoating on the roof. Seals up the luggage rack screws a little better and provides sound deadening, which I saw you did install.

Feels good to be the only FSJ you see that doesn't have a sagging headliner..
__________________
87 GW- Fitech EFI,Fitech FCC,Skyjacker Hydro 4" lift,BFG AT KO2 30",Dynamax muffler,MSD distributor,MSD 6al box,Blaster2 coil,ACCEL 8mm,.045 gap,Edlebrock perf 4bbl intake,Elgin perf cam,HD alum radiator,Powermaster 150alt,Alum HD H2O pump,Serhills tailgate harness,Cowl screen mod,Evil Twin grab handles,Rstep's custom AMC lock knobs
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 04-18-2018, 09:58 AM
ZackN920's Avatar
ZackN920 ZackN920 is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Nov 18, 2015
Location: Stephenson County, IL
Posts: 877
hmm, undercoating the roof. Never even thought of that one. Probably would have if I had to clean up any rust problems, but since it was/is clean up there, I had no reason to mess with it. I did caulk some stuff before I put the insulation in though. Just sort of as a "make sure" that it don't easily spring a leak in the future.

hmm, TBH, no real feelings here about having the only fsj with a good headliner. So far, It seems that I got the only FSJ in the Northern IL and surrounding area that I've personally seen in the last year. Very rare to actually see one of these FSJ's in any iteration. Believe it or not, the old IH trucks and SUV's are more common than an FSJ! and even they are a rare sight to see!

Back to this... I got my overhead console finished up. Put it back together and later installed it. I tried to find another Jeep transponder and some key fob's that I could put in, but no fobs were to be found at the junkyard. Kinda hoping I could find a good matching set to easily put in the Jeep. I read that 93-96 Cherokee's and GC's would be easiest to swap in while still being, and looking factory. Oh well, its not hard to pull the console down if I do find a good fob with its original transponder. and The + about the 93-96 is that the fobs can be reprogrammed, unlike the stock single button set up's from Renault.

Anyway's, here's some pics...



So, now its all done...Well at the moment. Later this summer when I get more cash on hand, I may take the visors to a reupholstery shop. They don't look very good and the material is sagging on them. To add to that, I also ditched the trim work around the mounts of the visors. They were cracked up and the passenger side had a missing piece. If they were all there, I'd just glue them back together and use them. I probably won't get another set. I don't feel its something I really need.
So, this is how they look without the trim piece:

Dang, that visor really looks bad in that picture!



Anyone think I should do a how to thread? I've got a lot of pictures of the progress. Trying to decide if I should bother...
__________________
1990 Grand Wagoneer-"The Crapwagon"
AMC 360, TF727, NP229, 3.31gears, 2" lift
Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
...still kinda rusty

The other's
1926 Dodge Brothers 5 pass. Business Sedan 212-I4, 3 speed, CRANK START (new long term project)
1987 Lincoln Town Car "Signature Series" 5.0, AOD unknown gears
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9,A999TF,3.90gears(DD)
1994 GMC 'Burban L05-5.7,4L60E,3.73gears(DD)
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0,AW4,3.73gears(thinkin of selling)
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 04-18-2018, 10:24 AM
rang-a-stang's Avatar
rang-a-stang rang-a-stang is offline
360 AMC
 
Join Date: Oct 31, 2016
Location: Camarillo, CA
Posts: 2,664
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZackN920
Anyone think I should do a how to thread? I've got a lot of pictures of the progress. Trying to decide if I should bother...
I do! I have to do a headliner someday and would LOVE it if it turned out as nice as yours.
__________________
79 Cherokee Chief, barely runs
(Cherokee Build Thread)
11 Nissan Pathfinder Silver Edition 4x4
09 Mazdaspeed3 Grand Touring
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 04-18-2018, 10:30 AM
ZackN920's Avatar
ZackN920 ZackN920 is offline
350 Buick
 
Join Date: Nov 18, 2015
Location: Stephenson County, IL
Posts: 877
Well, that was a quick response!!!
__________________
1990 Grand Wagoneer-"The Crapwagon"
AMC 360, TF727, NP229, 3.31gears, 2" lift
Rancho 44044, Rusty's 2" AAL, TFI
...still kinda rusty

The other's
1926 Dodge Brothers 5 pass. Business Sedan 212-I4, 3 speed, CRANK START (new long term project)
1987 Lincoln Town Car "Signature Series" 5.0, AOD unknown gears
1987 Dodge Dakota LE 3.9,A999TF,3.90gears(DD)
1994 GMC 'Burban L05-5.7,4L60E,3.73gears(DD)
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0,AW4,3.73gears(thinkin of selling)
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Headliner Board ngasman General FSJ Tech 8 06-30-2016 03:17 PM
New headliner (w/pics) and some rambling. Bobafett General FSJ Discussion 9 10-25-2011 03:29 PM
Replacing Headliner questions? 87 FSJ Frank G General FSJ Discussion 2 09-14-2011 08:20 PM
Honcho headliner color ? Honchov8 General FSJ Discussion 2 07-26-2010 04:43 PM
Headliner Replacement (Lotsa Pics) chuckchili General FSJ Tech 13 03-19-2009 06:58 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
corner corner