Stock 360 that LIKES 93 octane?

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  • RED-85-Z51
    258 I6
    • Feb 02, 2009
    • 391

    Stock 360 that LIKES 93 octane?

    Gas station was out of low and mid the other day so I filled up the wag with 93octane and WOW the thing has come alive.

    Idles smoother, starts easier hot and cold, runs a little cooler it seems, and overall the engine feels just a hair smoother when running.

    I know all about how high test gas is for high compression engines, for controlling spark knock. I havent detected any spark knock on this thing, but again I have no idea where it's timed...

    But wow this engine hasnt run this smooth since Ive had it...in fact Ill say it is the best idling, smoothest revving Carbed engine Ive ever driven.

    For the small increase in fuel cost per fill up, Im not opposed to using 93...but it's odd that a low compression engine would run better with high octane fuel...

    Maybe the low grade has more alky?
    1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer SOLD

    1998 Ram 1500
    5.9 Magnum
    4 speed auto
    Quad Cab

    1985 Corvette Z51
    350 Tuned Port Injection
    *restoring now*

    1976 Corvette L48 Stingray
    -restoring-

    1989 Cadillac Fleetwood Sedan
    4.5 Liter V8
    all Options
  • jaber
    Dragin Az
    • Oct 17, 2003
    • 8105

    #2
    I have been told by several engine builders that the older engines run better on the higher octane fuel and have always run that or mid when money was a little tight.
    Jeff

    '43 cj2a
    '51 Willys p/u
    '51 Willys Parkway Conversion
    '68 Panel Delivery
    '74 CJ5
    '75 J-20 Wrecker
    '75 J-20 Cummins service bed
    '77 J-10 p/u
    '79 Cherokee
    '88 Grand Wagoneer
    '98 Grand Cherokee

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    • RED-85-Z51
      258 I6
      • Feb 02, 2009
      • 391

      #3
      I had a 1967 Thunderbird with the 390Big Block that was sporting some impressive compression, around 10.75:1 as I recall and that thing absolutely could not be run on anything under 93. If I put in low it would nearly ping at idle.

      That engine ran best on 93octane + a full can of "outlaw" octane booster...got expensive though. I think I was only getting 7-8mph tops out of that car with the 3spd C6 trans.
      1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer SOLD

      1998 Ram 1500
      5.9 Magnum
      4 speed auto
      Quad Cab

      1985 Corvette Z51
      350 Tuned Port Injection
      *restoring now*

      1976 Corvette L48 Stingray
      -restoring-

      1989 Cadillac Fleetwood Sedan
      4.5 Liter V8
      all Options

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      • rixcj
        258 I6
        • Aug 02, 2007
        • 333

        #4
        Last week,I put 89 octane (vs. 87 octane) in my jeep, for the first time. I don't know why, just a compulsion, I guess.

        It does seem to run better.

        Perhaps I'll try 93 octane, next time.

        Rich
        1979 CJ5 with a 401...it goes a short way on a lot of fuel...https://forums.ifsja.org/core/images...tom/drivin.gif

        401, T176/ dana 300, amc20 (Mosers), D.U.I. HEI, Edelbrock Performer intake, Holley 670, ps/pb, 'glass tub, 1 pc tilt nose.

        There's a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness".

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        • JeepNOFEAR
          350 Buick
          • Nov 09, 2004
          • 1406

          #5
          I only use 93, if I use 87 then the jeep sputters and runs rough. I also get better mpg. There is also a local gas station that sells 100% gasoline, no ethonal, and that helps also.
          76 Cherokee Camo(Parts)
          76 Cherokee Camo 401/TH400/Dana300/HD44/14bolt/36s
          77 Cherokee blue 360/T18/D20/33s
          1969 AMC Javelin SST 390
          1968 AMC Javelin SST 290 (Parts)

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          • yankeedog
            304 AMC
            • Mar 14, 2007
            • 1621

            #6
            mine doesnt like that bilge water either

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            • fsjman1978
              232 I6
              • Feb 28, 2009
              • 200

              #7
              When I bought my 74 the previous owner told me he ran nothing but 92 or higher. I have tryed to stick with that. I tryed to run 89 once when gas prices were over $4.00 a gallon but ran really rough and sputtered alot.
              74 Wagoneer (360, turbo 400, quadtrac)
              on 31 10.5
              Under Construction
              78 Wagoneer. (401, turbo 400, D20) Plans include 44 and 14 bolt (410 gears)
              SOA and 36in TSLs

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              • Serious Johnson
                AMC 4 OH! 1
                • May 19, 2002
                • 3831

                #8
                If it runs better on higher octane, then it was pinging before, whether you could hear it or not. Lots of things can cause that -- spark timing, egr malfunction, high operating temperature...

                S.J.
                "Carpe Mañana".

                '83 Wagoneer
                360, .030-over, K8600 cam, Crane springs, ported heads, Edelbrock Performer, G.M. TBI, TFI, 3" exhaust,
                T-18a/208, D44/AMC 20 w/ limited slip in both, 3.73s, 33s, BDS 4" springs, Rancho 9000 shocks, etc., etc.

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                • KyooMac
                  258 I6
                  • Oct 26, 2006
                  • 464

                  #9
                  The gas station next to my shop sells racing fuel, in the winter I fill my 82 waggy with half race/ half 89. I know it's overkill, but it works great when it's cold.

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                  • bushwood44
                    350 Buick
                    • Jan 22, 2008
                    • 803

                    #10
                    You could back off the timming and run low grade but would lose a little power.
                    88 Grand Wagoneer
                    99 Camaro z28
                    73 Honda st 90
                    79 F250

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                    • RED-85-Z51
                      258 I6
                      • Feb 02, 2009
                      • 391

                      #11
                      Another point. After my drive to work, the last 8 minutes of which is 65mph straight, I pull into work and park, Id have ot idle for a minute otherwise the engine would want to diesel.

                      not on 93, shuts right off clean after pulling off the highway and parkingm not even a hint of wanting to run-on.
                      1989 Jeep Grand Wagoneer SOLD

                      1998 Ram 1500
                      5.9 Magnum
                      4 speed auto
                      Quad Cab

                      1985 Corvette Z51
                      350 Tuned Port Injection
                      *restoring now*

                      1976 Corvette L48 Stingray
                      -restoring-

                      1989 Cadillac Fleetwood Sedan
                      4.5 Liter V8
                      all Options

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                      • Ghinmi
                        Super Moderator

                        Moderator
                        • Jul 02, 2004
                        • 2147

                        #12
                        Mine runs the same on 87, 93, or 110. I've made passes back to back with 87 vs 110 it runs nearly identical times either way.

                        On the other hand, my bone stock '86 Monte runs like junk and gets bad mileage with 87 and I actually save $$ on gas by running 93.
                        Yep, I know my PM box is full. Email me instead.

                        1983 Cherokee WT - IFS, trailing arm rear, full cage, Hemi, 6 speed, turbocharged - Autocross project
                        http://ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=127321

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                        • Charlie_B
                          327 Rambler
                          • Dec 18, 2005
                          • 644

                          #13
                          If a motor is tuned correctly for a certain octane and everything is in good working order, putting higher octane in shouldnt make a difference. If it does, it was pinging before the higher octane fuel was added. The "desieling" comment justifies that theory IMHO.

                          Like stated above, run a little less timing, and I bet you dont see the difference in between grades of gas. Unless you dont mind paying a little more for gas.

                          This is all assuming that you are comparing different grades from the same supplier. Some stations use the same supplier, but some are much different around my area.

                          I usually try to tune on a lower grade gas than I would run normally. That way you factor in a slight margin of safety for those hotter/colder days or get a batch of bad gas.

                          my .02
                          '79 Cherokee "Goldie" - under the knife Part I; Part II
                          Currently: body is on, now finishing undercarriage
                          '92 Cherokee "Rusty" - 3" lift, 31s
                          '05 Evo MR "Eve"

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