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Old 01-06-2002, 05:03 AM
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The D27's do not hold up to 300+ hp and 33's when they go from spinning to sudden traction. The spider gears are small and not radiused well in the teeth which causes a lot of stress points and that is where I have had the 2 failures. I have never had a problem with the ring and pinion or the axle shafts. I do wheel hard and am not afraid of the throttle which explains my frt end failures. It is also why I have put in a D44 frt end.
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Old 01-06-2002, 05:25 AM
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I'm sure you are correct about the 300+hp spinning to traction reaction. With any good traction tire on a Dana 27 that alot of stress. I have tried to maintain a "get-back-in-one-piece" policy for the last 15 years or so since I drive the Willys everyday. I've actually broke more Model 53 drivers side rear axle shafts than anything else and I (actually the first wife too) always broke them on pavement.
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Old 01-10-2002, 11:11 PM
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No response what so ever from Jeremy Bratcher at Crawltech Offroad so here is my answer to lifting a 1970 Wagoneer.
Greg Payne at Southwest Springs (near Alvernon and Ft. Lowell Rd. in Tucson, AZ) is going to do my lift. $200 a pair for 3 1/2"-4". There are other costs. Bushings, I'm told there is a odd bushing in the front running about $33, of which I'll need 2, plus the others at $9 each. Then I'll have to measure and deal with shocks and brake lines.
Am I forgetting anything?
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Old 01-11-2002, 02:36 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tadsal:
Am I forgetting anything?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

driveline angles

make sure that the downward angle on the face of the transfer case output is within 2-3* of the upward angle of the pinion. i used a protractor from Sears @ $10 (item # 00939840000, www.craftsman.com, search for "protractor" or "00939840000") to measure the angles. here is a pic:



you use tapered shims between the axle perches and the spring to adjust pinion angle, the trans output is pretty static.

same goes for the front, although it is less sensitive to the angle being off, but the same shim adjustment is used to fix bump steer problems up front.
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Old 01-11-2002, 09:49 AM
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Good thought, thank you, I had that problem when I lifted the Willys and completly forgot. Anybody else think of something?
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Old 01-11-2002, 12:35 PM
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A camera so you can show off afterwards?
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Old 01-11-2002, 04:52 PM
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To be honest I have only been broken so bad while wheeling that I have not made it home under my own power once. When I broke the 27 the last time I had gotten some serious air going up a sand dune. As I was not at the crest of the hill and was coming in nose first, I stayed on the gas so she would pull thru instead of nosing over and it was that stress that broke the spider gears. I have broken the carrier of a power-loc diff in the rear end under throttle in 2wd on pavement when the tranny shifted from 1st to 2nd. The only time I did not get back under my own power is when the Tornado six fell out of my 65 parts wag as I was wheeling it. They just don't run with a broken dist cap
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I'll borrow the digital camera from work to take some more pic's. Still waiting for my ISP cox@home to make the change to cox@net so I can set up some space on their server.
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Old 01-12-2002, 12:07 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tadsal:
Greg Payne at Southwest Springs (near Alvernon and Ft. Lowell Rd. in Tucson, AZ) is going to do my lift. $200 a pair for 3 1/2"-4". There are other costs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He does good work, I've used them several times. Did you get a quote from Ivan at AZ Spring? He does good work too but is high sometimes. Say Hi to Steve and Rob for me.
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Old 01-12-2002, 04:34 AM
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No, I didn't check with AZ Spring (those are the folks on Grant near Stone right?) because they were so high back when I was doing the Willys about 15 years ago. Back then I had a place called Spring Joint Specialists (off of Romero near Steve & Rob)do the rears for the Willys, they don't seem to be around anymore. I'm sure AZ spring does great work too since the've been in Tucson my whole (40+year) life. I will say hi for ya.
I'm going to get myself together and take some digital pic's of the process and start a new posting since the "Lift ASAP" title really doesn't apply anymore.
Thanks for everyones input - look for the new post "70 Wag Lift Now" soon.
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Old 01-12-2002, 04:38 AM
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I will be patiently waiting to read 70 Wag Lift Now I would like to follow every detail, on this lift.
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Old 01-12-2002, 04:40 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tadsal:
been in Tucson my whole (40+year) life. I will say hi for ya. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I used to use SJSC too, I forgot about them. How long have you been a welding teacher? Do you know Jim Hazzard, he's retired but used to teach.
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Old 01-12-2002, 04:57 AM
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I don't know Jim, and I've been teaching welding now for 6 years (Cholla High School), prior to that I was doing time at a middle school teaching technology classes. There are only 3 of us left in TUSD and I'm the only full time welding program . Santa Rita High runs 3 classes with Tom Morrill and Tucson High runs 3 classes with Ray Wiggins. Both great guys and programs. There is still a program at Marana High with John Blackman/Jim Blackburn??(I always mix these names up) and a fella over at Sunnyside High with a program. Someday I'll run a post about what we can all do (anywhere) to make sure any more of these program don't get closed.
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